Has anyone installed their own RMM?

[Proudfoot]

I was planning on installing my own RMM but found myself coming up against some impacted bolts. I sprayed them with something, in attempt to loosen them up.
I am so hyped about the install that I went on Kijiji and have been looking at Canadian Tire and Home Depot for an impact wrench. Maybe I should just chill and wait to take my car to Jimmy to have him do it when I switch over to my used MS3 exhaust.

Has anyone done this? How have you gone about doing it? I have a JBR RMM and I have been using the instruction I got from his site. I have also used this Youtube video to guide me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlLb3Itxzgk&feature=related
The process looks pretty straight forward but I can't seem to make the bolts budge. Any advice??

Happy Mother's Day.

[stevenma188]

Breaker bar. Or ghetto it by using a wrench on the end of ur socket:

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/9/web/309000-309999/309045_88_full.jpg

[Proudfoot]

Breaker bar. Or ghetto it by using a wrench on the end of ur socket:

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/9/web/309000-309999/309045_88_full.jpg

Thanks.

[Nick]

i used this tutorial

http://krystmsgarage.com/?p=156

[Hyperion]

If you can't do it come on by my place and I'll do it.

[cSPEED]

Pretty straight forward install. Jimmy shouldn't charge more than $20 to unscrew a couple bolts so if you can't do it for whatever reason just holdout!

[Proudfoot]

Pretty straight forward install. Jimmy shouldn't charge more than $20 to unscrew a couple bolts so if you can't do it for whatever reason just holdout!

I am reading all these wicked reviews of it and have to wait a little. Need to save for an exhaust install and this RMM. I am really looking forward to the installs.
Thanks for the feedback, folks.

[6strings]

I have no confidence in myself to do this LOL.

[loki]

Pretty straight forward install. Jimmy shouldn't charge more than $20 to unscrew a couple bolts so if you can't do it for whatever reason just holdout!

It's a bit more than $20, but if you're unsure what to do, well worth it for Jimmy to install.

[Cab0oze]

I think it took me over an hour... bolts were no issue, but the AWR RMM I had bought was so thick that it was a HUGE pita to wiggle into place.

[Nick]

it helps to take off the bracket(3 bolts) holding the mount to the engine. if you enjoy wrenching, just give yourself a few hours and pick a nice day =]

[Zuluwun]

If you can't do it come on by my place and I'll do it.

Wanna help me with mine? :)

[DualSoul]

If you can't do it come on by my place and I'll do it.

Wanna help me with mine? :)

Mine as well, if possible.

[6strings]

RMM install meet?

[Hyperion]

My place this Monday
Make a list of interested and I'll make it happen.

[Zuluwun]

Love the impromptu-ness

1. Zuluwun

[6strings]

1. Zuluwun
2.6strings

[DualSoul]

My place this Monday
Make a list of interested and I'll make it happen.

Closest major intersection?

[Hyperion]

Yonge and Major Mack in Richmond Hill

[Proudfoot]

Yonge and Major Mack in Richmond Hill

What time are you thinking of? I also had a question. What are the sizes of the bolts on the RMM? On the JBR site, the downloadable pdf says they are 19mm and 17mm but I think they are 17 mm and, maybe, 15 mm for the non Speed 3s. I am still thinking of trying to do the install with a breaker bar in hand. I gave back my torque wrench to my dad (:bang) and thinking of buying my own.

[Hyperion]

I believe they are 17 and 19 mm.

We can start work as early as possible realistically. Then I can actually do stuff for the rest of the day :chuckle
But let's say 10? It will take about 30 minutes if no complications arise.

Edit: I now have friday (tomorrow) off if anyone can make it.
Send me a PM asap.

[Zuluwun]

^ Too late? lol, I'm good for either day

[Proudfoot]

1. Zuluwun
2.6strings
3. Proudfoot (Marc)

[Hyperion]

6strings is done. Also did his short shifter for him. God I hate those, but they will be easier from now on lol.

If your bolts are on too tight, there is nothing that I can do about that. I have PB blaster and will spray that if need be, but I do not have an air gun yet.

Send me a PM for my address and number.

[Zuluwun]

^ generous man. I hated my ss install, wanted to throw that f*cking spring out the window at one point. lol

PM'd

[Hyperion]

I'm in the process of buying an Air Impact gun incase there's more bolts that refuse to come off by hand.
Donations are appreciated and accepted.

[6strings]

yeah, atleast we had some good laughs on the way though. too bad my RMM didnt get done, atleast the SS is done. But now my light on the display aint working. backing taking apart the console.
Thanks Hyperion for all the help!

[SomeGuy]

LoL you guys are always welcome to come my way, it's like a half hour tops to do them, super easy.

[Hyperion]

yeah, atleast we had some good laughs on the way though. too bad my RMM didnt get done, atleast the SS is done. But now my light on the display aint working. backing taking apart the console.
Thanks Hyperion for all the help!

Really eh.
Did Jimmy get the RMM?
I'm buying an Air Impact Wrench this weekend. So I won't run into that seized bolt problem again. If you want come on by, there's 2 people coming for 10.
Which light doesn't work?

[SomeGuy]

Really eh.
Did Jimmy get the RMM?
I'm buying an Air Impact Wrench this weekend. So I won't run into that seized bolt problem again. If you want come on by, there's 2 people coming for 10.
Which light doesn't work?

Try not to waste your money ... air impacts need a decent sized compressor and the cheap ones might advertise big torque numbers but more often that not they don't even do half what they say. A lot of the time an electric is a much more sensible choice for a home owner...

[Hyperion]

Gah, I said Air impact wrench, but I meant Electric. Battery powered ftw.

[SomeGuy]

Gah, I said Air impact wrench, but I meant Electric. Battery powered ftw.

Ahh good call...which one?

I have both a cordless and a couple air impacts...the air is definitely better/faster/stronger but the cordless is damn handy when I'm too lazy to fill the tank or am doing a little job.

[Hyperion]

I'll only ever be doing a little job.
Almost had a 1/2" off kijiji brand new for 150 off.
Any recommendations before I buy a new one tomorrow?

[SomeGuy]

I'll only ever be doing a little job.
Almost had a 1/2" off kijiji brand new for 150 off.
Any recommendations before I buy a new one tomorrow?

I have an 18v dewalt 1/2" but that's only because I already had other dewalt stuff. If I were buying new I'd get this Milwaukee one not cheap though:
http://www.milwaukeetool.com/cordless-tools/drilling-and-fastening/impact-wrenches/m18-cordless-lithium-ion-1-2-inch-high-torque-impact-wrench-w-pin-detent-kit/2662-22

You might consider a corded one to save a heck of a lot of money.

For doing the RMM though, it's a bit of a tight space so make sure you have proper impact universal joints and extensions and such. Canadian tire has some impact sockets and accessories on sale this weekend.

[Rapster]

Electric is a great option for some impacts, but with an air compressor and air tools you can at least gather up a bunch of tools that use the compressor.

Also, as far as air tools go, the compressor is only part of the issue with how the tools perform. You could have a huge compressor and a crap impact gun that won't bust a lug nut loose for the life of it. You don't need a big air compressor to use impact tools, just need decent impact tools. The only reason I can see needing a large compressor is for needing a large and constant volume of air (ie, painting, sand blasting, consistantly using air to blow stuff off).

Anyways, back on topic, because I too was thinking of getting and installing a RMM for the Speed6. Obviously this is a pretty straight forward removal and install, seems like 1hr max (including lifting car, taking off all plastic underbelly parts and then removal and install of RMM), would that be correct?

[SomeGuy]

Rapster - you're absolutely right, it's a combination of quality stuff that makes it useful. That said the typical 8 gallon and 120 psi tanks are not what I'd call adequate. I have a 26 gallon 150psi compressor and it does the job for most stuff but cycles a little more often than I'd like still.

As for the RMM, yup under an hour. I don't know on the speed 6 but on the 3 you don't even need to take off the splash gaurd or anything, it's just jack the car, support the transmission, unbolt old mount out, bolt new mount in, job done.

[Hyperion]

Rapster - you're absolutely right, it's a combination of quality stuff that makes it useful. That said the typical 8 gallon and 120 psi tanks are not what I'd call adequate. I have a 26 gallon 150psi compressor and it does the job for most stuff but cycles a little more often than I'd like still.

As for the RMM, yup under an hour. I don't know on the speed 6 but on the 3 you don't even need to take off the splash gaurd or anything, it's just jack the car, support the transmission, unbolt old mount out, bolt new mount in, job done.

Instructions from Cp-e don't even have you supporting the tranny.
I bought the dewalt corded one we talked about. $190 after taxes. None of the battery ones offered enough torque.
The mastercraft one was ginormous, so I walked across the road to HD and got the DeWalt on sale.

I was looking at air because it was smaller in HD, but my air compressor is too small.

[SomeGuy]

Supporting the transmission makes it easier to line everything up when you're putting it back together. The battery powered ones do have enough torque if you spend 300+ ... bu they are pretty bulky. Hope you're happy with the dewalt corded one :)

Air is definitely smaller, but yeah good to have the compressor to back it up.

[Hyperion]

I found I had to push the engine forward to get it to fit.
Which was no big deal.

[drunkmunky]

nice meeting you all

[Hyperion]

nice meeting you all

Huh? You weren't at my place.

[Zuluwun]

nice meeting you all

lolwut? unless that's Bill??

[Jackal]

lolwut? unless that's Bill??
Maybe. Hi Bill if it's you. Bill test question. What car did you drive in the first and second time?

[zzz3]

nice meeting you all

it is bill. he had a drunk monkey t-shirt LOL.

tell me the name of your car!!!!

[6strings]

Got the RMM on.
Im so self conscious about starting from first gear now. But none the less, feels good to have it on.

[Zuluwun]

Got the RMM on.
Im so self conscious about starting from first gear now. But none the less, feels good to have it on.

Same, much more vibes than I expected. I didn't feel it when I first started it up cuz the car was cold and therefore idling high (1000-1200 rpm) which is kind of the butter zone as far as vibes go.

[6strings]

Inside the car it sounds like it has more growl. Probably can't be heard from outside. The rumble is awesome. Already have it chick approved :P

[SomeGuy]

The vibes will go down as time goes on, I don't even notice mine anymore but glad to see everything went ok?

Also, the vibes are usually only bad at idle with AC on...seeing as how it's been hot, I bet a lot of you have been using yours lol

[Zuluwun]

I'm thinking about taking it out actually. I got the mount lightly used so I doubt there's much, if any, break in that'll happen. Vibes are present throughout the rev range and are not greatest at idle. I haven't used my AC yet either. It's right at the limit of being tolerable for a daily drive.

Should mention it's a Street Unit 62 Duro mount.

[6strings]

Nope. AC is for special occasions. I roll with the windows down. ;:cool hahah
I can handle the vibes. And my family members haven't noticed it yet.

[cSPEED]

Kevin your mounts broken in already! Are you finding the vibes untolerable? Doesn't the car feel so much more planted and race car-ish lol.

[Zuluwun]

lol, username change? I thought someone else just had the same avatar as you.

the car drives and sounds great, but the vibes are pretty serious for a 62 Duro mount. It's about as racecar as I'd ever want to be for a DD lol. I'll take you for a drive if you want, it feels a lot different than your car did.

[cSPEED]

Heh really? Maybe it's just different cause you're driving it now. The jbr 88 duro is kind of vibey though I must say heh but so worth it

[Jackal]

Hey Kevin read this thread about vibage and vibes. Lol

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?62742-The-quot-Unofficial-quot-Will-This-Cause-Vibes-Thread&highlight=Vibes

[Zuluwun]

lol, maybe I'm just a whiny bitch? hahaha

then again, speed3 owners have a lower tolerance for that kind of crap. Speed owners can't complain about NVH, they made the choice to buy a high-performance Mazda 3 - it's a waste if they want it to drive and feel like a normal 3. I'm on loki's side in that thread.
PLUS, the mount that I have came out of a speed and there were basically no vibes in that car.

I've just gotten too many wtf's from my passengers so I'm starting to worry.

[loki]

Give it some time. It should settle.

But if it doesn't, there might be something wrong with the mount or the install?

I wouldn't start freaking out just yet haha

[Zuluwun]

Give it some time. It should settle.

But if it doesn't, there might be something wrong with the mount or the install?

I wouldn't start freaking out just yet haha

yeah, that's what I was thinking too. It's only been a few days, if it's still this bad in a couple weeks I'll start really troubleshooting it.

[loki]

Curious, who did you pick up the mount from?

Edit: nvm you got it from cspeed

[boyracer]

Everything will be alright. In two weeks time you won't even notice the vibrations.

[pwdunmore]

Anyone in the Mississauga area that has a JBR Chrome-Molly 88A? I wanted to see what the vibes were like before I got it in the group buy. I am fine with the the vibes I just want to know what to expect :) I f*cking love my speed and if its means less wheel hop I'm all for it.

Anyone know if it causes additional wear to the other mounts? I'm not dumping the clutch or anything just regular spirited driving... I just want more out of the car :P without going crazy yet lol

[Mr Wilson]

Like all other mounts (maybe with the exception of the 65 duro CP-e) you'll feel initial 'harsh' vibes, but once it breaks in, it's fine. Go for it and don't look back.

Replace all mounts and be badass, just doing the RMM won't do anything to the SMMs.

[Zuluwun]

I forgot about this thread. Update time?

Vibes have settled minimally. That, plus the fact that I'm getting used to it, makes it easier to live with. That said, I'm surprised at the harshness of the vibes between 1000-1500 RPM from a 62 durometer mount. I'd say it's worth it though, my car feels faster cuz it's actually putting power to the ground now, it's great lol.

I was reading CP-e's literature on their RMM a while back and it said that urethane can deteriorate over time and that's why CP-e uses rubber bushings. Does anyone know if there's any truth to that? Given that it came out of CP-e's advertising, I'm a tad hesitant to bite without more evidence.

If it is true, then a new bushing for my mount should, theoretically, make a difference.

[pwdunmore]

Like all other mounts (maybe with the exception of the 65 duro CP-e) you'll feel initial 'harsh' vibes, but once it breaks in, it's fine. Go for it and don't look back.

Replace all mounts and be badass, just doing the RMM won't do anything to the SMMs.

I know everyone loves the JBR 88A chrom-molly thats why I went with it, would the vibes be pretty much the same as the 70A or 80A Billet?

I just want something that will hold my stock engine down better than the stock mount. It seems like a lot of people opt for a softer durometer so I just want to make sure I am not going overboard by getting the chrome-molly when I am running a stock engine. I'm so much more familiar with longboard wheel durometers than engine mount durometers... 60A = Super Soft 90A = Hard

[Zuluwun]

^ Durometer is a standard measure of a material's hardness. It has nothing to do with the purpose of the component. Lower durometer = less hard material. So your understanding of durometer covers engine mounts too :)

[lcianf01]

May be stupid question. Are the RMM for speed and 2.0L exactly the same design?

[pwdunmore]

May be stupid question. Are the RMM for speed and 2.0L exactly the same design?

On the JBR site they are listed as the same product number so they are the same part. Good question to ask... compatability is always an issue :P

[pwdunmore]

Little update... install took a bit of time lining up the bolts again because jacking up the car made the engine sit on an angle. If you can get it on a hoist it would be a 20 minute install :P Vibes are amazing but they have already started to settle down a bit so to anyone doing the upgrade you will notice it and you will either like the performance or want the comfort back. I find the sound and rumble good feedback when driving. My shifts are way smoother and I love my 88A Chrome Molly to death :) Give it a month and I'm sure the low rpm rumbles will die down a bit more but I will miss them :(

[Odin]

Little update... install took a bit of time lining up the bolts again because jacking up the car made the engine sit on an angle. If you can get it on a hoist it would be a 20 minute install :P

Did you only put jack stand at the front? Couldn't you have put jack stands on all four corners / lift points?

[Cab0oze]

Did you only put jack stand at the front? Couldn't you have put jack stands on all four corners / lift points?Not necessary. Two stands in the front, or use ramps, and then use your jack stand with a piece of wood to help boost the engine up if you're having trouble lining things up (but it probably shoulnd't be necessary. I used the jack to lift the engine to help get my RMM in though, because it couldn't get it to go into place due to the huge size of the new one.

[Stretch]

I was reading CP-e's literature on their RMM a while back and it said that urethane can deteriorate over time and that's why CP-e uses rubber bushings. Does anyone know if there's any truth to that? Given that it came out of CP-e's advertising, I'm a tad hesitant to bite without more evidence.

If it is true, then a new bushing for my mount should, theoretically, make a difference.


Any thoughts about this guys? It is something I would also like to know.
eric

[pwdunmore]

Did you only put jack stand at the front? Couldn't you have put jack stands on all four corners / lift points?

Could have but didn't have 4 jack stands, I tried jacking my motor up but it didn't help much. Elbow grease and leverage were my only weapons :P (used a big flathead screwdriver to help line up holes while screwing in the bolts)

Stretch, with my experience with Rubber and Urethane... its all the same if you are get quality parts. I personally like urethane because its a non organic compound not being subject to natural variations and being a longboarder I am comfortable with urethanes different mixes and batches. CP-E is going to do whatever they can get you to spend the extra $ on their products. You are going to pay more for something with a better warranty because if something does go wrong they will cover you(hopefully). PS I prolly know more about urethane then engine mounts so take this with a grain of salt.

CP-E = peace of mind for extra $ + good advertising
(If I could afford it I would buy all CP-e but thats not reality)