Rob Ford asks gangs to leave city

[leungalv]

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/cityhallpolitics/article/1228366--scarborough-shooting-mayor-rob-ford-says-gang-members-should-leave-the-city

OMG ... why didn't society think of this sooner?? BRILLIANT!

Let's also ask homeless people to just stop being homeless! While we're at it, I think his idea would apply amazingly to the US, "stop being poor US!" :rolleyes

[Default User]

LMFAO! ****ing classic!

Let's have the gangs leave Toronto so they can wreak havoc in another city

[leungalv]

I think he must have watched this before coming up with that brilliant plan:


http://youtu.be/M8reIa71Bpw

[ronphan]

I think he must have watched this before coming up with that brilliant plan:


http://youtu.be/M8reIa71Bpw

LOOL, Omg thats gold!

[Thrizzl3]

that's like telling black people to go back to africa...not going to happen

[m3rk]

that's like telling black people to go back to africa...not going to happen

LOL agreed.

[leungalv]

that's like telling black people to go back to africa...not going to happen

Go back to Africa ... :P

[silverstarmazda]

wat pisses me off is that he's asking for more money for "policing". i can almost guarantee that those "police" will just be bothering the rest of the public with dumb traffic regulations instead of actually helping stop the crime. how many cases do you often see a police protect the public from crimes like the ones that happened this month. they get there on the scene too late, state the obvious, look around, and press charges where they think it fits. we had a fight near a mcdonalds once where this drunk guy was threatening us with a knife and trying to mug us. thank god he was drunk out of his f*cking mind . but one of us was able to get into the mcdonalds to get the manager to call the cops. takes them 4 hours to respond. we ended up waiting till 5 in the morning. they guy that was try to mug us left and nearly got hit on the road too. the mcdonalds manager had a emergency button on her waist that automatically calls the cops. but she wasnt allowed to use it unless it was related to the restaurant. wat also pisses me off was that 2 cruisers had the guts to drive pass us while we were getting mugged. wtf

[zmz3]

I cannot believe how this idiot became a Mayor.

I have seen him speak, I have heard issues against him (like giving a middle finger to a city resident) etc etc...

He's surely an odd ball. I feel ashamed to have him represent Toronto. Wake up PEOPLE!

[Sappo569]

He may be a bit rough around the edges, but let us not forget too quickly Miller Time.

That man was one of the most stuck-up and arrogant self righteous pricks ever to sit behind a desk.

Plus almost all his time in office was spent furthering himself, not the city.

At least Ford has done some good. And hopefully will continue to do good.

I am with him on the principle of the idea, Toronto Police need to go in, in force, to the Toronto Housing units and arrest, eject, deport anyone with firearms or other weapons. Full stop

[Aitch]

Damn, surprised he hasn't asked gay people to all leave for San Fran.

[Hoodzy]

wat pisses me off is that he's asking for more money for "policing". i can almost guarantee that those "police" will just be bothering the rest of the public with dumb traffic regulations instead of actually helping stop the crime. how many cases do you often see a police protect the public from crimes like the ones that happened this month. they get there on the scene too late, state the obvious, look around, and press charges where they think it fits. we had a fight near a mcdonalds once where this drunk guy was threatening us with a knife and trying to mug us. thank god he was drunk out of his f*cking mind . but one of us was able to get into the mcdonalds to get the manager to call the cops. takes them 4 hours to respond. we ended up waiting till 5 in the morning. they guy that was try to mug us left and nearly got hit on the road too. the mcdonalds manager had a emergency button on her waist that automatically calls the cops. but she wasnt allowed to use it unless it was related to the restaurant. wat also pisses me off was that 2 cruisers had the guts to drive pass us while we were getting mugged. wtf

That's the way she goes.. Can't generate revenue unless you are fining all of the already hard working tax paying citizens with lame tickets. Taking care of the real crime is bad for business.. We need to put our tax paying money towards mercenaries who actually get the job done!

[FoXy]

You wonder why Toronto sucks as a city... I don't, there are thousands of effing morons who voted this douche in... That tells me right there what kind of people live in toronto. For all the people who DIDN'T vote for Ford cudos to you, for all those who did? Bet, ur regretting that now.... retards. Anyone with half a brain can see this guy is an obese, uneducated, republican boob.

[Lactose]

Take all of em, ship em up north to the arctic and tell them "Winter is coming".

[bluntman]

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/cityhallpolitics/article/1228366--scarborough-shooting-mayor-rob-ford-says-gang-members-should-leave-the-city

OMG ... why didn't society think of this sooner?? BRILLIANT!

Let's also ask homeless people to just stop being homeless! While we're at it, I think his idea would apply amazingly to the US, "stop being poor US!" :rolleyes


They might listen if he said "please".

[silverstarmazda]

i guess we cant always look on the bad side, there has been some good to come out of everything. then again... how bad does it outweigh the other. things are no longer as simple as they use to be and its only going to get worse.

[peterm15]

Let's face it people.
If this had been anyone BUT a conservative member of government everyone ( the star included) would be on the band wagon on how great of an idea this is. And the word ask was never used in the quotes. Only should and must. This same story will be very different in other papers. Everyone is on a let's get ford wagon.

Personally I agree with him. Where did the 214 million since 2005 go. What has it done. It obviously hasn't cut back on gun crime or gangs as it was supposed to.

I'd much rather Fords ideas over Adam Vaughans(come on ban bullets, really wtf is that gonna do). don't get me wrong, not a huge fan but he's better then the alternatives. We need to stop throwing money at problems and deal with them head on.

[Lactose]

Let's face it people.
If this had been anyone BUT a conservative member of government everyone ( the star included) would be on the band wagon on how great of an idea this is. And the word ask was never used in the quotes. Only should and must. This same story will be very different in other papers. Everyone is on a let's get ford wagon.

Personally I agree with him. Where did the 214 million since 2005 go. What has it done. It obviously hasn't cut back on gun crime or gangs as it was supposed to.

I'd much rather Fords ideas over Adam Vaughans(come on ban bullets, really wtf is that gonna do). don't get me wrong, not a huge fan but he's better then the alternatives. We need to stop throwing money at problems and deal with them head on.

Didn't a mayor from NY do the same thing to Times SQuare? Removed all the criminals and dumpted them in Harlem. Not sure I remember somone lecturing me about it, but as usual I tuned out any form of lecture.

[peterm15]

Couldn't tell you. I don't follow states politics.

To me it seems as if he doesn't want gang members who have been released from prison to be released into their own neighborhoods. Which to me sounds like a start.

People also have to keep in mind. That these gangs aren't crypts and bloods or any of that crap. They are small street thugs who think there hard.

[Ozil]

Rob Ford is a disgrace to humanity !

[Aitch]

Let's face it people.
If this had been anyone BUT a conservative member of government everyone ( the star included) would be on the band wagon on how great of an idea this is. And the word ask was never used in the quotes. Only should and must. This same story will be very different in other papers. Everyone is on a let's get ford wagon.

Personally I agree with him. Where did the 214 million since 2005 go. What has it done. It obviously hasn't cut back on gun crime or gangs as it was supposed to.

I'd much rather Fords ideas over Adam Vaughans(come on ban bullets, really wtf is that gonna do). don't get me wrong, not a huge fan but he's better then the alternatives. We need to stop throwing money at problems and deal with them head on.


Yes, I'm part of the anti-Ford gang. I think he's a fat blithering idiot. And I don't think he's better than the alternatives (maybe not Adam Vaughan, but really..... this is the best we can do?). I don't care who said these words (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/ford-wants-to-force-all-convicted-gun-criminals-out-of-toronto/article4426741/), I would think they are retarded:


Asked how he planned to force gangsters out of Toronto, Mr. Ford said: “I don’t know and that’s what I’m going to sit down with the prime minister and find out how our immigration laws work. Obviously I have an idea. But whatever I can do to get them out of the city I’m going to, regardless of whether they have family or friends, I don’t want these people, if they’re convicted of a gun crime, to have anything to do with the City of Toronto.”

Umm, WTF do immigration laws have to do with relocations after release from prison? Either they are citizens or legal residents, or they would be deported instead of being imprisoned anyway. Like I said, R-TARDED.

The idea, while it has some merit, is really not that easy to enforce anyway.

Being tough on crime is one thing. But Margaret Wente in the Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/broken-families-behind-the-violence/article4424254/) had some great quotes from members of that community, where they basically said "Where is the outrage within our (black) community?" Instead of just being fearful, the people as a whole need to completely denounce this type of activity. Wholehearted change comes from within.

[leungalv]

Yes, I'm part of the anti-Ford gang. I think he's a fat blithering idiot. And I don't think he's better than the alternatives (maybe not Adam Vaughan, but really..... this is the best we can do?). I don't care who said these words (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/ford-wants-to-force-all-convicted-gun-criminals-out-of-toronto/article4426741/), I would think they are retarded:



Umm, WTF do immigration laws have to do with relocations after release from prison? Either they are citizens or legal residents, or they would be deported instead of being imprisoned anyway. Like I said, R-TARDED.

The idea, while it has some merit, is really not that easy to enforce anyway.

Being tough on crime is one thing. But Margaret Wente in the Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/broken-families-behind-the-violence/article4424254/) had some great quotes from members of that community, where they basically said "Where is the outrage within our (black) community?" Instead of just being fearful, the people as a whole need to completely denounce this type of activity. Wholehearted change comes from within.

LOL I bet he thinks he has to have his passport on him while travelling within Canada

[peterm15]

Yes, I'm part of the anti-Ford gang. I think he's a fat blithering idiot. And I don't think he's better than the alternatives (maybe not Adam Vaughan, but really..... this is the best we can do?). I don't care who said these words (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/ford-wants-to-force-all-convicted-gun-criminals-out-of-toronto/article4426741/), I would think they are retarded:



Umm, WTF do immigration laws have to do with relocations after release from prison? Either they are citizens or legal residents, or they would be deported instead of being imprisoned anyway. Like I said, R-TARDED.

The idea, while it has some merit, is really not that easy to enforce anyway.

Being tough on crime is one thing. But Margaret Wente in the Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/broken-families-behind-the-violence/article4424254/) had some great quotes from members of that community, where they basically said "Where is the outrage within our (black) community?" Instead of just being fearful, the people as a whole need to completely denounce this type of activity. Wholehearted change comes from within.

I agree. Like I said I'm not his biggest fan or anything. But i do like him more then some others.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I wouldn't take that from anyone.

As for deportation instead of prison. Not entirely true.
The guy who murdered my gfs cousin was jailed for 3 years before being deported. And we as tax payers payed for that.

I'm not about to say he's the best guy. Socially he's a tool. But i do like most ( not all for sure) his financial ideas

[FoXy]

He's fully racist... that's why he thinks it has something to do with immigration. Indicating he thinks it's immigrants.

Here's a tip, it ain't the immigrants you dumb ass, its the 1st gen kids who were born here with parents who dont raise them right.

Make the rules for welfare tougher. Too many people not working hard enough to better themselves and instead just coasting through life wanting people to feel sorry for them. They act like they can't do any better and society keeps them down in the dumps. It's not society, it's you not overcoming it and working hard enought to achieve something.

Most people who are successful work hard to get there. These people think it's easier to shoot people and steal to get what they want instead of going to school and getting a f*cking ED-U-MACATIONNNNNN. :bang

[Aitch]

I agree. Like I said I'm not his biggest fan or anything. But i do like him more then some others.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I wouldn't take that from anyone.

As for deportation instead of prison. Not entirely true.
The guy who murdered my gfs cousin was jailed for 3 years before being deported. And we as tax payers payed for that.

I'm not about to say he's the best guy. Socially he's a tool. But i do like most ( not all for sure) his financial ideas

The only financial idea he's had is "let's not spend so much". So we cut some spending, but he wants to commit to building a subway without ever presenting an actual fiscal plan for it. And he loves to run to other levels of government for funding when he's desperate.

Let's examine that further. This week he said he wants money from other levels for anti-gang projects. Just last month, he was the only person to vote against $350,000 from the province, with no strings attached, for an anti-gang project. Although he didn't specify why, his supporters claimed it was because he believes it is not free money, Ontario taxpayers pay for it one way or another. But now he's switched his tune because things are bad.

http://thestar.com/news/gta/cityhallpolitics/article/1208498--mayor-rob-ford-votes-against-free-money-for-gang-prevention

[peterm15]

Well as for the money.
214mil since 2005 and the problem still hasn't gotten better. So what would another 350 do. Nothing.

Not to say voting against it wasn't a stupid idea. Cause it was.

The money that goes into anti gang programs is mostly funneled into youth programs. Which doesn't help. ( although the money SHOULD still go to youth programs ). The kids and parents taking advantage of this are already the ones who were going to succeed. If a 10 year old now is headed for gang life. No matter how much cash you throw at him, he will still be a gang member.

I can't really rebuttal to what you had said because I entirely agree with you. Again never said I was his biggest fan.

I'm just glad some people have educated responses as to why they dislike ford. Not just the he's a tool speech. Truthfully, this is the first time since he has become mayor that I have gotten something out of people.

As for the Toronto star, in the last 2 years that paper has gotten out of hand and what used to be the only credible paper for Toronto, is now in the bottom of the list. My last straw was when they came to the defense of ragu guy. After that I just stopped reading the paper.

Oh and 1 more thing.

IF YOU DIDN'T VOTE, DONT COMPLAIN.
you don't have the rite.
( sorry that bothers me )

[Turok]

Rob Ford is a useless POS.

[Hoodzy]

Well as for the money.
214mil since 2005 and the problem still hasn't gotten better. So what would another 350 do. Nothing.

Not to say voting against it wasn't a stupid idea. Cause it was.

The money that goes into anti gang programs is mostly funneled into youth programs. Which doesn't help. ( although the money SHOULD still go to youth programs ). The kids and parents taking advantage of this are already the ones who were going to succeed. If a 10 year old now is headed for gang life. No matter how much cash you throw at him, he will still be a gang member.

I can't really rebuttal to what you had said because I entirely agree with you. Again never said I was his biggest fan.

I'm just glad some people have educated responses as to why they dislike ford. Not just the he's a tool speech. Truthfully, this is the first time since he has become mayor that I have gotten something out of people.

As for the Toronto star, in the last 2 years that paper has gotten out of hand and what used to be the only credible paper for Toronto, is now in the bottom of the list. My last straw was when they came to the defense of ragu guy. After that I just stopped reading the paper.

Oh and 1 more thing.

IF YOU DIDN'T VOTE, DONT COMPLAIN.
you don't have the rite.
( sorry that bothers me )

If I don't vote I should still be able to complain.. My lack of vote may be my lack of faith in any of the candidates or our democratic system as a whole

[The Wolf]

If I don't vote I should still be able to complain.. My lack of vote may be my lack of faith in any of the candidates or our democratic system as a whole
Wrong. You didn't vote because you are lazy. If you wanted to make a statement, you would have at least gone and spoiled your ballot. Your complaints are baseless if you're not actively trying to make things better.

[Lactose]

Wrong. You didn't vote because you are lazy. If you wanted to make a statement, you would have at least gone and spoiled your ballot. Your complaints are baseless if you're not actively trying to make things better.

What if you weren't legally aloud to vote!

[Aitch]

What if you weren't legally aloud to vote!

That's different than stating you didn't vote due to a lack of faith in the system. Low voter turnout is rightly attributed to apathy. If you care, cast a vote - either for a registered candidate or someone you write in. Voting is your democratic voice.

[peterm15]

That's different than stating you didn't vote due to a lack of faith in the system. Low voter turnout is rightly attributed to apathy. If you care, cast a vote - either for a registered candidate or someone you write in. Voting is your democratic voice.

+1

By not voting ( when legally allowed), you wave your rite to complain about who is in office. Although I do urge people to be educated when voting. There are to many parties that are getting votes that really shouldn't ie. CCP and 2 others I will not mention as these parties do get votes, ( not one of the main 3) and people actually feel strongly about these idiotic parties.
I do realise that it's less about who you like and more about who is the lesser of all evils. But each person MUST make that decision for themselves, and decide wether your for the people or fiscal responsibility. unfortunately within our system it's very difficult to get both.


If I don't vote I should still be able to complain.. My lack of vote may be my lack of faith in any of the candidates or our democratic system as a whole
IMO. no excuse. Especially since there are parties that cater to people who are against the democratic process.

[Aitch]

I won't go as far as to say people who don't vote lose the "right" to complain, as everyone has a right to voice their opinions whether they voted or not. However not voting reduces the moral authority of your voice afterwards.

[peterm15]

I won't go as far as to say people who don't vote lose the "right" to complain, as everyone has a right to voice their opinions whether they voted or not. However not voting reduces the moral authority of your voice afterwards.

Ok. Maybe that's a better way to put it.

[leungalv]

IMO. no excuse. Especially since there are parties that cater to people who are against the democratic process.

But just because they're against the democratic process, doesn't necessarily mean that the other parties support your particular set of values.

[MarkWB]

I'm for seeing money going to youth programs and proactive, community engaged policing. I don't want to see a bunch of programs nobodys showing up to, but I don't want to see an army of cops creating more of a community problem. We need a better balance of both, and it's time to cut old resources and outdated services for new developments. This problem isn't going to go away on it's own, and it's an ongoing solution that needs to be put in place. There's no band-aid solution for a complex issue like this.

[ZeroChalk]

Everything we do IS a band-aid solution.

We need to change the pop-culture that over glorifies violence, sex, guns, drugs, and fast money. People have given up on working hard. People have lost their patience. People want everything now and believe they are entitled to it. The media has to stop brainwashing kids at an early age and with senseless / mindless trash.

Remember smoking? It was very popular among the 'cool' kids growing up. Now a days, it's banned from public spaces and advertisements. Society has ostracized smokers by telling them they have to go over THERE to smoke. If you talk to a smoker, 95% of the time they will tell you they are trying to kick the bad habit.

If society woke up and said... your a loser for being in a gang.... there would be less gangs.

[MarkWB]

But society does say you're a loser for being in a gang, it's the parts of society that youth (particularly disadvantaged youth in this case) pay attention to that matter here. Drive by a high school at lunch time and see if you don't notice any kids smoking...they're there.

What most of you are forgetting is we're dealing with the subject of teenagers...they're kids. We all tell our kids/neices/nephews/whatever that they shouldn't grow up too fast and they should be patient and enjoy their youth, then turn around to someone elses kid and expect grown up behavior from someone whos still developing. A 16 year old does not know right from wrong the way you do, they know it in it's most basic form, and there's still a lot of grey for them. A young person can be easily influenced that right or wrong doesn't matter anymore, that they're left out in the cold, that they'll die alone without their parents one day, and they'll be too broke to raise their kids too. That and the media influence (which only matters post-poverty) combined create this "gangsta" image kids think is cool, and it's not going away if we ban two chainz and lil wayne.

[peterm15]

I agree with most of what you have said.
Although. Pop culture that most "disadvantaged youths" pay attention to, IMO at least, does promote gangs as being cool. And always have been.

And at 16 you should know the difference between right and wrong. I don't care who you are or how you grew up. That's what is wrong with society. Kids want to be treated as adults, but when they do they hide behind the YO act. Having been through it for being stupid when I was young ( I knew better just didn't care) its a joke.
Kids being caught shoplifting are getting more of a punishment then those involved in violent crimes. 16 year old rapists and 14 year old coke dealers walking away with " peace time" ( true stories from when I went through it). It's retarded.
Of course abolishing the YO act isn't going to change the young thugs though. I don't know if it will do anything. But it's a start. I'd put money down that these gun slinging tools have all been through the YO act.

[ZeroChalk]

I don't see how we can prevent kids from growing up too fast other than home schooling them and controlling every aspect of their life. There will be always THAT kid in class who will influence other kids because their parents do a poor job at parenting. THAT kid will be seen as the popular kid because he or she will have access to adult material (movies, music, drugs, cigarettes, alcohol, porn, etc.). Plus because everything is just so readily accessible we can't prevent it. It's like a leaking tent, no matter how much we patch it up, water always will seep through.

What we can only do is teach and shape our kids at an early age (8-14). Tell them that the music and videos they see are just entertainment and just like a movie it is not real. If we instill good values, set a good example, and tell them the benefits of working hard and what they can achieve then can we only hope they will become productive members of society. If as a parent you do a horrible job, then pop-culture will fill in the blanks where you missed.

[ZeroChalk]

To add - people are also easily influenced. People need direction in life and always want to fit in. This is more apparent if you have less education and a poor upbringing. If celebrities advocated that having a baby green dinosaur as a pet is cool, everyone would have them!

[leungalv]

But society does say you're a loser for being in a gang, it's the parts of society that youth (particularly disadvantaged youth in this case) pay attention to that matter here. Drive by a high school at lunch time and see if you don't notice any kids smoking...they're there.

What most of you are forgetting is we're dealing with the subject of teenagers...they're kids. We all tell our kids/neices/nephews/whatever that they shouldn't grow up too fast and they should be patient and enjoy their youth, then turn around to someone elses kid and expect grown up behavior from someone whos still developing. A 16 year old does not know right from wrong the way you do, they know it in it's most basic form, and there's still a lot of grey for them. A young person can be easily influenced that right or wrong doesn't matter anymore, that they're left out in the cold, that they'll die alone without their parents one day, and they'll be too broke to raise their kids too. That and the media influence (which only matters post-poverty) combined create this "gangsta" image kids think is cool, and it's not going away if we ban two chainz and lil wayne.

I'm going to have to disagree with the notion of smoking being related to gang activity. I started smoking in grade 9, merely as a curiosity (stupid curiosity, yes). I still smoke, but I'm definitely not in a gang.

I agree that as teenagers that they are easily influenced, and particularly susceptible to peer pressures. It's true that banning "gangsta" stereotypes in the media won't help the situation. What needs to be done is social and community intervention as well as parental guidance. Though arguably, a lot of the time these kids grow up unsupervised and may come from broken homes or where the parents don't have time to watch over their kids. (Ever seen the movie Horsemen). As parents, they need to play a more active role in their childs lives.

When I was a teen, my parents were quite strict with me and I felt I lost a lot of independence. But in the end, I turned out fine (I think hahaha). I listen to music from Slipknot, Marilyn Manson, Lamb of God, Three Days Grace ... I smoke ... but the thing that kept me from falling in with sketchy people were my parents.

[leungalv]

I don't see how we can prevent kids from growing up too fast other than home schooling them and controlling every aspect of their life. There will be always THAT kid in class who will influence other kids because their parents do a poor job at parenting. THAT kid will be seen as the popular kid because he or she will have access to adult material (movies, music, drugs, cigarettes, alcohol, porn, etc.). Plus because everything is just so readily accessible we can't prevent it. It's like a leaking tent, no matter how much we patch it up, water always will seep through.

What we can only do is teach and shape our kids at an early age (8-14). Tell them that the music and videos they see are just entertainment and just like a movie it is not real. If we instill good values, set a good example, and tell them the benefits of working hard and what they can achieve then can we only hope they will become productive members of society. If as a parent you do a horrible job, then pop-culture will fill in the blanks where you missed.

Well said.

[Default User]

Im the ******* father LOL
Even my parents think I'm too strict.

I always said how I wish my kids are goin to be too "school" for "cool", and I plan on raising them that way. It will be a mentality of independence, and priorities.

I rather have smart kids than dead ones.

[silverstarmazda]

Im the ******* father LOL
Even my parents think I'm too strict.

I always said how I wish my kids are goin to be too "school" for "cool", and I plan on raising them that way. It will be a mentality of independence, and priorities.

I rather have smart kids than dead ones.

kids will need a social life too though. if kids are too burdened by rules and strict procedures, it will only cause them to rebel against you. and when that happens itll only get worse and in the end theyll end up doing dumb and probably illegal stuff. you have to be theyre parent and friend at the same time. a good balance of being cool so theyll listen too you, but strict enough where theyll have a successful education and life. would you rather be feared, or loved?

[Default User]

I never said they can't be social.

I believe in old school parenting: curfews, chores, disciplinary actions.

The good thing is, I got into a lot of trouble growing up. So I'm pretty "knowledgeable" on how kids can get into trouble.

All parents like to believe their kids are good kids. They're simply naive and only want to see the good. I grew up cynical - believing everyone is bad and only act good for their own benefit.

[Ozil]

I never said they can't be social.

I believe in old school parenting: curfews, chores, disciplinary actions.

The good thing is, I got into a lot of trouble growing up. So I'm pretty "knowledgeable" on how kids can get into trouble.

All parents like to believe their kids are good kids. They're simply naive and only want to see the good. I grew up cynical - believing everyone is bad and only act good for their own benefit.

:chuckle

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[Lactose]

believing everyone is bad and only act good for their own benefit.

Is that wrong to do :[?

[MarkWB]

I'm going to have to disagree with the notion of smoking being related to gang activity. I started smoking in grade 9, merely as a curiosity (stupid curiosity, yes). I still smoke, but I'm definitely not in a gang.


Well, I wasn't really saying smoking will end you up in a gang, lol. I was moreso replying to the post I quoted and how he mentioned 95% smokers he talks to are trying to "kick the habit." Although the government/society has pushed smokers into the corner and made more ads about how smoking is bad for you, kids still do it. IMO this is evidence of the fact that society's opinion doesn't matter much to the youth, especially when their peers/friends are doing a certain thing and getting away with it.

[ZeroChalk]

Well, I wasn't really saying smoking will end you up in a gang, lol. I was moreso replying to the post I quoted and how he mentioned 95% smokers he talks to are trying to "kick the habit." Although the government/society has pushed smokers into the corner and made more ads about how smoking is bad for you, kids still do it. IMO this is evidence of the fact that society's opinion doesn't matter much to the youth, especially when their peers/friends are doing a certain thing and getting away with it.

Actually stats show that smoking is way down and that teens are leading the way. The change was by no means fast but when you look at the stats (in the mid 1960's 49% over the age of 15 smoked in Canada) it shows the shift in thinking.

The article below is interesting.
http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/374965--smoking-rates-down-especially-among-teens

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Actually stats show that smoking is way down and that teens are leading the way. The change was by no means fast but when you look at the stats (in the mid 1960's 49% over the age of 15 smoked in Canada) it shows the shift in thinking.

The article below is interesting.
http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/374965--smoking-rates-down-especially-among-teens

Interesting article, but I wonder how statscan determined this one. I mean, surveying kids in school about if they smoke or not would be majorly effective. Did they hire PIs for the last decade? I mean, smoking is definitely down compared to the 80s and 90s, but my high school smoking pit was pretty full 4 years ago, lol.

Good to see less kids are picking up the habit though, if I didn't start in high school I probably never would have.