Your day in review

[greyseason]

The girl i was seeing told me she "wasn't ready for a relationship" so i decided to go for a drive. I look up good driving roads in ontario, and find out about 'nurburgring hamilton.' Best ****ing road/s ever. A couple tight switchbacks, mostly all tarmac, decently smooth roads. Just an amazing time. Ended up tailing a mazdaspeed miata through the turns since they seemed to know where they were going. Once we were finished I pulled up beside them and talked to them for little while, and they were really cool. I highly suggest it to anybody around the area, and if you're not, its well worth the drive, take it from me.

heres a link to the roads
http://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=104766356332881493255.00044cfb565ea3350da57

then tonight, was just cruising around, and saw two GTR R35's. One grey, and one black. I see them every so often, but two in a matter of 1.5hrs is pretty awesome. Anyway, thought this would be a good thread.

lets hear about your day :pop

[Thrizzl3]

i went to ribfest in mississauga...almost fell asleep at the table. went to a friends house. now I'm home.

[Sappo569]

Ribfest is on????

[Thrizzl3]

Ribfest is on????

i guess. it was by square 1

[MarkWB]

Got accosted by gyspies at no frills

[Sappo569]

Got accosted by gyspies at no frills

Need more info

Proper gypsies, or the ones that wear scarves and bells

[MarkWB]

Need more info

Proper gypsies, or the ones that wear scarves and bells

Well, I was leisurely hunting for a parking spot when a golden opportunity presented itself to me in the lane closest to the entrance, about 3 spots from the handicapped/otherwise-more-pc-labelled areas. I went for it...I should have known it was a trap. Boldly moving in, a woman in an "artistic" dress valiantly leaps infront of my car. "WAIT," she proclaims. "I SELL YOU COLOGNE OR PERFUME...15 DOLLAR." I told her I wasn't able to pay her for her fragrances as I only brought grocery money, and she proceeded to use the "come on, you'd be stupid to pass this up" *judgemental glare* routine. I denied her attempts to push her ill-gotten body sprays on me, and I ended up in my spot unscathed. With all that being done a lady offered to give me her misaligned shopping cart as she was in a rush. I took the cart, and strolling off with a smile on my face one only receives when being served at McDonalds, the gypsy ladies husband uses the same jumping-out-into-traffic tactic to stop me and attempt to sell me more cologne.

[Sappo569]

Thats a good story.

Question now is was it cologne, or urine in a bottle.... we will never know!

[Ogata]

I got my gigittey goo today and just finished taking shower

[Wes08M3]

I got my gigittey goo today and just finished taking shower

In my mind, this sounds a lot worse than I think it was meant to be lol...

[peterm15]

Went to innisville beach only to be kicked off because apparently dogs aren't allowed on the beach until after 8pm. Even though there was a million small dogs on the beach. We get booted cause of our great dane.

I asked him to show me a sign stating that, and why he didn't stop the person behind me as they were walking a small dog. He responded with its a $300 fine. I didn't bother asking for a sign again.

[Sappo569]

Who kicked you off the beach??

Also my day consisted of getting home from work at 1pm, sleeping until 9pm, making a small veggie stirfry, then showering and heading back to work at 11pm, where I currently am

[peterm15]

Who kicked you off the beach??

municipal bylaw officer.

[MarkWB]

municipal bylaw officer.

Trespass to Property Act, 2.:
Every person who is not acting under a right or authority conferred by law and who,
(a) without the express permission of the occupier, the proof of which rests on the defendant,
(i) enters on premises when entry is prohibited under this Act, or
(ii) engages in an activity on premises when the activity is prohibited under this Act; or
(b) does not leave the premises immediately after he or she is directed to do so by the occupier of the premises or a person authorized by the occupier,
is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not more than $2,000. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 2 (1).

Good choice removing your dog, lol, technically he could have given you a ticket for w/e the "dog on a beach" fine is, and one for trespassing (not immediately obeying his orders on "his" property).

[peterm15]

Public beach with pay parking. I don't think trespassing laws apply in the same way.
Either way, what bothered me is the only sign related to dogs was that they are not allowed to be closer then 15ft to the water.

[MarkWB]

Public beach with pay parking. I don't think trespassing laws apply in the same way.
Either way, what bothered me is the only sign related to dogs was that they are not allowed to be closer then 15ft to the water.

Public just means municipally/provincially owned and operated...the law still applies. You drive on public roads, does that mean you'd tow your dog on a skateboard behind your car?

[Lactose]

Public just means municipally/provincially owned and operated...the law still applies. You drive on public roads, does that mean you'd tow your dog on a skateboard behind your car?

Yes.

[peterm15]

Public just means municipally/provincially owned and operated...the law still applies. You drive on public roads, does that mean you'd tow your dog on a skateboard behind your car?

Valid point.
Although I never refused to leave. Just asked a few questions as to why we were being targeted and where the bylaw was stated.

[Lactose]

Valid point.
Although I never refused to leave. Just asked a few questions as to why we were being targeted and where the bylaw was stated.

http://www.innisfil.ca/uploads/files/C01-ByLaws/1455.pdf

Doesnt explain why other dogs were allowed.

[Wes08M3]

That beach is a decently nice place to go but pretty lame that you have to pay just to get in.

I'm a dog person too and find it particularly annoying that they "discriminate" against dogs. I can understand that they should stay out of the water in case they decide to do their business in there (I doubt most dogs would as they tend to like grass) but I think that dogs have just as much of a right as we do to enjoy the grassy open areas to run around and play.

They're our companions after all and they should be treated as such, not as a nuisance, regardless of whether you like dogs or not. Babies can be a nuisance to some, with all their crying and screaming but you don't see people asking them to leave lol.

[MarkWB]

So if dogs should be allowed on the beach, should I be allowed to smoke in the mall? Liking/owning a dog is a personal preference that shouldn't be imposed on other people lol if you want to go to the beach don't bring your dog, or go to a dog friendly beach

[mazdabetty]

Went to innisville beach only to be kicked off because apparently dogs aren't allowed on the beach until after 8pm. Even though there was a million small dogs on the beach. We get booted cause of our great dane.

Ughhhhh that makes me so mad!!! Little dogs are so much more vicious and unpredictable too.. why do they get away with so much, because they can fit in a purse?? A Home Depot employee in Ottawa had their face chewed off last year by a customer's yappy little rat that was sitting in the cart. He was fluffy and cute so he got away with a small fine. If it was a larger dog, guaranteed that dog would be put down immediately. So unfair!!!!

Anywayyyy, back on topic...


The girl i was seeing told me she "wasn't ready for a relationship" so i decided to go for a drive. I look up good driving roads in ontario, and find out about 'nurburgring hamilton.' Best ****ing road/s ever. A couple tight switchbacks, mostly all tarmac, decently smooth roads. Just an amazing time. Ended up tailing a mazdaspeed miata through the turns since they seemed to know where they were going. Once we were finished I pulled up beside them and talked to them for little while, and they were really cool. I highly suggest it to anybody around the area, and if you're not, its well worth the drive, take it from me.

Yep, nothing like a nice long drive while blaring some great music to take your mind off things! I need to start discovering more roads like these in my area..

[Wes08M3]

So if dogs should be allowed on the beach, should I be allowed to smoke in the mall? Liking/owning a dog is a personal preference that shouldn't be imposed on other people lol if you want to go to the beach don't bring your dog, or go to a dog friendly beach

Smoking is a health risk to others, dogs are not...

And if your dog is dangerous and has the potential to hurt someone, you obviously should not have him/her running free. However, 98% of dogs are not going to hurt someone. If your dog is aggressive that's a reflection of the person as well, not just the dog.

Just because you have a dog doesn't mean you're imposing it on others, especially if it's a well behaved dog and/or on a leash. You're allowed to smoke outdoors in designated public areas, does that mean you're imposing it on others? No. If you're smoking in an enclosed space such as a mall then you are imposing it on others! Your comparison is flawed.

There are very few if none at all dog friendly beaches in the Barrie area, which is why it can be frustrating at times.

[peterm15]

As for my dog.
2 ft leash and never leaves my side. Ignores people until they come to him.
The signs said to stay away from water with them so I did. And didn't bring him on the sand.

What is imposing is the loud rap music with a mic and wannabe dj blaring the entire time. Which I'm decently sure was against noise bylaws.

If you don't like my dog. Don't go near him. He won't go near you.


Within an hour and a half drive the only dog friendly beach I can find is the beaches and heart lake.

[Wes08M3]

As for my dog.
2 ft leash and never leaves my side. Ignores people until they come to him.
The signs said to stay away from water with them so I did. And didn't bring him on the sand.

What is imposing is the loud rap music with a mic and wannabe dj blaring the entire time. Which I'm decently sure was against noise bylaws.

If you don't like my dog. Don't go near him. He won't go near you.


Within an hour and a half drive the only dog friendly beach I can find is the beaches and heart lake.

This.

[Lactose]

That beach is a decently nice place to go but pretty lame that you have to pay just to get in.

I'm a dog person too and find it particularly annoying that they "discriminate" against dogs. I can understand that they should stay out of the water in case they decide to do their business in there (I doubt most dogs would as they tend to like grass) but I think that dogs have just as much of a right as we do to enjoy the grassy open areas to run around and play.

They're our companions after all and they should be treated as such, not as a nuisance, regardless of whether you like dogs or not. Babies can be a nuisance to some, with all their crying and screaming but you don't see people asking them to leave lol.

This. I like dogs, although I'm a bit weary around dogs. I don't mind dogs at a park/beach, by all means they are less annoying than kids screaming, crying, and whining.


So if dogs should be allowed on the beach, should I be allowed to smoke in the mall? Liking/owning a dog is a personal preference that shouldn't be imposed on other people lol if you want to go to the beach don't bring your dog, or go to a dog friendly beach

Liking / having kids is a personal preference that shouldnt be imposed on other people.

[mazdabetty]

Liking / having kids is a personal preference that shouldnt be imposed on other people.

bahahhahaha... I'm soooo with this...

:like

[Wes08M3]

Liking / having kids is a personal preference that shouldnt be imposed on other people.

LOL I was going to add this to my argument but I thought I may offend some of the members who have new kids. Though I completely agree.

[MarkWB]

Kids are a biproduct of sex, and we can't restrict peoples ability to have sex and what they do with the consequences. Dogs and cigarettes are biproducts of spending money at a store, which is entirely free choice. Taking these products into a mall may be restricted, same as a beach (there are non-smoking beaches). A dog is a product, an animal under your control and its your responsibility to keep that product away from people who don't desire to be around it. A dog isn't guaranteed to bite you, you're not guaranteed to inhale my second hand smoke, but if I can't enjoy a smoke in the mall, I shouldnt have to put up with dog droppings and barking on the beach.

[Lactose]

Kids are a biproduct of sex, and we can't restrict peoples ability to have sex and what they do with the consequences. Dogs and cigarettes are biproducts of spending money at a store, which is entirely free choice. Taking these products into a mall may be restricted, same as a beach (there are non-smoking beaches). A dog is a product, an animal under your control and its your responsibility to keep that product away from people who don't desire to be around it. A dog isn't guaranteed to bite you, you're not guaranteed to inhale my second hand smoke, but if I can't enjoy a smoke in the mall, I shouldnt have to put up with dog droppings and barking on the beach.

A dog can be an alternative to a child for people who can't have children. They can be adopted to save them from being euthanized. Not all dogs are purchased by their respective owners. They can be bred for generations, however rare. Sure you can argue at one point they were bought.

We can't restric peoples ability to spend money for what they want, and what they do with the byproduct/consequences. Kids are a byproduct of not using protection properly.

A child is under your control (at a young age) and is the parent(s) responsibility to keep them away from people who don't desire to be around "it". A kid isnt guarenteed to cry, whine or be annoying. But if I cant take my dog for a walk I should have to deal with kids yelling, or parents changing their kids diapers at the beach.

Dog droppings are meant to be looked after by the owner. A dog barking is just as if not less annoying than a kid screaming and crying. Dogs are on a leash, they're under control.

[The Wolf]

Dogs>kids.

I didn't place your penis in her vagina so don't make me suffer the consequences of your selfish act of passion.

[MarkWB]

A child is a person, a dog is an "it." That's the difference you guys are missing lol a dog is unimportant, the OSPCA and other animal rights agencies receive 0 dollars from the government because they're entirely a voluntary cause. Not everyone cares about animal rights, and were not required to. Our tax spending reflects this. Why? Because owning/caring for an animal is entirely a choice, even more-so than having a kid, and not everyone wants to put up with your beast on a tranquil beach.

[mazdabetty]

A child is a person, a dog is an "it." That's the difference you guys are missing lol a dog is unimportant

That's just your opinion. Lots of people have strong beliefs that all living creatures on this planet are equals. :)

[Wes08M3]

Kids are a biproduct of sex, and we can't restrict peoples ability to have sex and what they do with the consequences. Dogs and cigarettes are biproducts of spending money at a store, which is entirely free choice. Taking these products into a mall may be restricted, same as a beach (there are non-smoking beaches). A dog is a product, an animal under your control and its your responsibility to keep that product away from people who don't desire to be around it. A dog isn't guaranteed to bite you, you're not guaranteed to inhale my second hand smoke, but if I can't enjoy a smoke in the mall, I shouldnt have to put up with dog droppings and barking on the beach.

You're still ignoring the fact that second hand smoke is a proven health risk. Don't you remember when smoking was allowed in restaurants? It was pretty much a guarantee that you would inhale second hand smoke... Go to a dog park and see if you get bit by a dog just walking around, I bet you don't.

Dog droppings should be cleaned up by a responsible owner. If you "have" to deal with droppings then you should take it up with the owner of said dog as it is not the dogs fault he/she has to eat and digest their food just as any other living thing does. You put up with bird droppings don't you? Why's that? Because you can't do anything about it and you don't see anyone trying to outlaw birds. If a dog owner is responsible you won't even have to deal with anything related to the dog.

Many dogs don't even bark and as Lactose said, they likely make less noise than kids.

Come to Thunder Bay and you'll retract your statement about dogs being "products", they most certainly are not. There's a huge dog abuse/neglect problem in the surrounding areas here (Native Reserves), enough to make anyone, dog lover or not, sick to your stomach. Dogs have been domesticated by humans over the years, however they are still animals on this earth and deserve use it just as we and all other animals do. You're only taking into consideration a small (and inconsiderate to all dogs who are desperate for a home) portion of the "pet" world.

[Wes08M3]

A child is a person, a dog is an "it." That's the difference you guys are missing lol a dog is unimportant, the OSPCA and other animal rights agencies receive 0 dollars from the government because they're entirely a voluntary cause. Not everyone cares about animal rights, and were not required to. Our tax spending reflects this. Why? Because owning/caring for an animal is entirely a choice, even more-so than having a kid, and not everyone wants to put up with your beast on a tranquil beach.

Absolutely 100% FALSE!

You sir are being ignorant. Please do your research before you spread this false information.

You don't have to like dogs and nobody is forcing you to but there are many that do. Show some respect!

[peterm15]

A child is a person, a dog is an "it." That's the difference you guys are missing lol a dog is unimportant, the OSPCA and other animal rights agencies receive 0 dollars from the government because they're entirely a voluntary cause. Not everyone cares about animal rights, and were not required to. Our tax spending reflects this. Why? Because owning/caring for an animal is entirely a choice, even more-so than having a kid, and not everyone wants to put up with your beast on a tranquil beach.

Your statement os flawed.
First off the OSPCA is government funded. As well laws are made regarding animals based on this fact.

I frankly do not like kids, at all. And my choice to not have kids reflect that. Why should I put up with yours. i also wouldn't ask a child to leave a dog park because of that.

Having children is a choice as well, just like having a dog. If it werent then there wouldn't be as many kids up for adoption. Unfortunately some people do nor make the right choice.

Under the criminal code, minus euthanasia ( except abortion) you can be charged for the same abuse on a dog as you can a child. They may be different penalties but the same charge.

Not everyone cares about children's rights. As far as the government is concerned a human isn't a human until he/she takes their first breath. Does that mean we should go back to the days where abortion can be carried out even during breach. Keep in mind that is considered animal abuse if done with a dog.

Not everyone wants to deal with children. And there is to many children having children. To many parents neglect their children. So really what's the difference.

[MarkWB]

Absolutely 100% FALSE!

You sir are being ignorant. Please do your research before you spread this false information.

You don't have to like dogs and nobody is forcing you to but there are many that do. Show some respect!

...LOL, ok. The OSPCA are the first ones to complain that other agencies get money from the government and they don't. Isn't that why they were slaughtering dogs over ring worm and blaming the government for them not being able to manage their environment properly?

Straight from the horses mouth:

"The Ontario SPCA and its Communities are charitable organizations that rely on the generosity of its supporters, including individuals, associations and corporations. The Ontario SPCA is not a government organization."

This horse is clickable (http://ontariospca.ca/inside-the-ospca/faq.html)

So now that we're done with that, mazdabetty, the laws on this define a dog as an animal, so while "lots of people" care for their rights and for the animals themselves, not everyone does, and it's just not a responsibility one HAS to uphold as a member of society. If I'm sitting on a beach I don't want your dog running around me, barking, peeing/pooing...it's just a preference. I wouldn't go to a non-smoking beach and expect to be allowed to smoke, so why would anyone go to a dog-free beach and expect not to be hassled about their dog? It's simple...if you like dogs, go to a dog park, or a beach with no restrictions (anywhere on the scarborough bluffs, humber bay west, the one at the end of kipling, etc...).

Next time I see you canine coddlers in a no dog zone I'll puff my benzene filled smokey goodness in it's open slobbering mouth. :chuckle

[mazdabetty]

If I'm sitting on a beach I don't want your dog running around me, barking, peeing/pooing...it's just a preference.

bahahaha... but kids do that ALL THE TIME!!!!!!!

I wish there was such a thing as a kid free beach.... and kid free air planes... etc....

[peterm15]

Won't bother me as I'm a smoker as well.
My dog is never loose, will never pee or poo around you and I clean after my dog when he does.

What is foolish is the fact that all beaches allow dogs other then those in simcoe region.

Again having been offered a PAYING job at OSPCA. It IS a government funded position. It MAY be funded through the humane society ( not sure on that one)but is still government funded. They write things like that for more funding from the public.

[MarkWB]

Your statement os flawed.
First off the OSPCA is government funded. As well laws are made regarding animals based on this fact.

I frankly do not like kids, at all. And my choice to not have kids reflect that. Why should I put up with yours. i also wouldn't ask a child to leave a dog park because of that.

Having children is a choice as well, just like having a dog. If it werent then there wouldn't be as many kids up for adoption. Unfortunately some people do nor make the right choice.

Under the criminal code, minus euthanasia ( except abortion) you can be charged for the same abuse on a dog as you can a child. They may be different penalties but the same charge.

Not everyone cares about children's rights. As far as the government is concerned a human isn't a human until he/she takes their first breath. Does that mean we should go back to the days where abortion can be carried out even during breach. Keep in mind that is considered animal abuse if done with a dog.

Not everyone wants to deal with children. And there is to many children having children. To many parents neglect their children. So really what's the difference.

No it's not, see above.

The law still allows abortion up to the point a child takes it's first breath, medical associations/doctors won't allow it. And yes, there are laws against abusing an animal, but there is no law requiring me to report that abuse or care about it happening.

And what is "the right choice" when it pertains to children? Enlighten me lol you guys are calling me ignorant for having reserved ideas about animals, yet you've clearly got some of your own. Face it, not everyone loves your dog or wants it around, and we shouldn't HAVE to have it around if we don't want it...that's why we went to the dog free beach, that's why this law exists, that's why by-law enforcement gives out tickets for it. You can take your dog to another beach or a park where the dog will have just as much fun, and people won't be bothered by it. It's a simple sacrifice for a win-win situation.

[mazdabetty]

^ This argument got way out of hand. I think you're missing the fact that A) It wasn't entirely a "dog free" beach to begin with, and B) There were smaller dogs already on the beach, yet he was discriminated against because his dog was much larger.

I think the real question here is why on earth was he asked to leave (and rudely), being threatened with a hefty fine because of his choice of breed.... ridiculous. I would file a complaint against the city. If they want to claim the beach as "dog free" before 8pm then they should just enforce it instead of picking and choosing who they're going to let in.

Let's not get into discussing abortion... this thread is going to be locked up fast.

[peterm15]

By the wrong choice it means to many neglected children out there. And yes you can actually be charged for not reporting animal abuse. Back to the was offered a position thing. You don't really know how things are run until your part.


NOT EVERYONE LOVES CHILDREN.
but they are allowed everywhere. Why should I have to deal with that.

[peterm15]

^ This argument got way out of hand. I think you're missing the fact that A) It wasn't entirely a "dog free" beach to begin with, and B) There were smaller dogs already on the beach, yet he was discriminated against because his dog was much larger.

I think the real question here is why on earth was he asked to leave (and rudely), being threatened with a hefty fine because of his choice of breed.... ridiculous. I would file a complaint against the city. If they want to claim the beach as "dog free" before 8pm then they should just enforce it instead of picking and choosing who they're going to let in.

Let's not get into discussing abortion... this thread is going to be locked up fast.

I was using abortion solely as a example. I personally have no opinion of it as frankly not having the correct parts it's not my decision.

If mods would like me to edit that please let me know. Or just go ahead and delete it. Sorry for the bad example.

As for the reasoning behind being booted you are right on the ball.

The argument is out of hand and not being hard headed I will bow out. Thank you all for feeling the same about some of these discussions. I did not mean to offend anyone and hope I didn't.

[MarkWB]

By the wrong choice it means to many neglected children out there. And yes you can actually be charged for not reporting animal abuse. Back to the was offered a position thing. You don't really know how things are run until your part.


NOT EVERYONE LOVES CHILDREN.
but they are allowed everywhere. Why should I have to deal with that.

There is no law on reporting dog abuse...I'll even bet you, lol, you're essentially arguing with me about my job, which is why I find this more entertaining than anything. There's no law on reporting child abuse just so you know, only sanctions that apply to licensing bodies the oversee teachers, social workers, police/security, nurses/doctors, etc...

I'm not trying to get into an argument about abortion, so let's leave that behind us. OP-ish (the guy who brought up the dog thing) was discriminated against because his dog is a big dog, and has more potential to be a big nuisance. That one, lone, by-law officer is trying to do his job to the best of his ability. He can't possibly tell every dog owner (who is likely hiding their little pocket pooch) to lose the dog, but when you stroll down the boardwalk with your massive great dane, he'd only look like an idiot if he didn't say something to you. It's also easier for your dog to cause him and others problems, so he called you out on it.

If I was this guy I'd have done the same thing to you, and you know what, complain and see if he gets in any trouble lol he won't.

[peterm15]

There is no law on reporting dog abuse...I'll even bet you, lol, you're essentially arguing with me about my job, which is why I find this more entertaining than anything. There's no law on reporting child abuse just so you know, only sanctions that apply to licensing bodies the oversee teachers, social workers, police/security, nurses/doctors, etc...

I'm not trying to get into an argument about abortion, so let's leave that behind us. OP-ish (the guy who brought up the dog thing) was discriminated against because his dog is a big dog, and has more potential to be a big nuisance. That one, lone, by-law officer is trying to do his job to the best of his ability. He can't possibly tell every dog owner (who is likely hiding their little pocket pooch) to lose the dog, but when you stroll down the boardwalk with your massive great dane, he'd only look like an idiot if he didn't say something to you. It's also easier for your dog to cause him and others problems, so he called you out on it.

If I was this guy I'd have done the same thing to you, and you know what, complain and see if he gets in any trouble lol he won't.

Now thats sensible.

I know he won't get in trouble. Unions eh. That's why I didn't bother.

I wasnt on the boardwalk. I was paying for parking after already being there for an hour( payed for parking once already. )
Buddy was just doing his job. No doubt, I complained about the rule, maybe made a comment, but he could have been more of an ass for sure, he was more of a snarky polite, and only after i asked questions) He could have walked the entire beach in 5 min to tell the other hundred dog owners about the rule. None the less. The rule should have been posted somewhere( which it wasn't, maybe in the office but I wouldn't bring my dog in there so I wouldn't know. ) this was my first time at this beach so I was paying attention to dog rules, mainly looking for the off leash area

I may not know the law all out, but was warned by bylaw officers about reporting and how i must, could have been a scare tactic I guess but worked closely with Toronto bylaw in relation with animals.

When not trying to argue the dog thing you make a lot of sense. And I couldn't agree more.

[Wes08M3]

I'll try not to add anymore fuel to this fire.

But Mazdabetty is right, small dogs are often more annoying than big ones. So if the by-law officer is going to enforce the rules he should do so with EVERY dog not just pick out the big one.

And dog rescue facilities ARE governement funded. The problem is they are not funded enough.

There is an astonishing amount of ignorance in this thread. The reality is that everyone has different opinions and makes different choices and that fine as long as these choices are ethical. We should respect everyone's opinion as long as they are valid to some degree. There are no dog friendly beaches in there Barrie area and that's part of the reason for this frustration. The by-law should be more accepting of the MANY that love and have dogs. Other areas are, the Simcoe County area should be as well.

[mazdabetty]

OP-ish (the guy who brought up the dog thing) was discriminated against because his dog is a big dog, and has more potential to be a big nuisance. That one, lone, by-law officer is trying to do his job to the best of his ability. He can't possibly tell every dog owner (who is likely hiding their little pocket pooch) to lose the dog, but when you stroll down the boardwalk with your massive great dane, he'd only look like an idiot if he didn't say something to you. It's also easier for your dog to cause him and others problems, so he called you out on it.

I think most people know that a small dog can be more of a nuisance than a large dog, but I know if I go further into why this thread is going to be 15 pages long so I'll stop right there.

At the end of the day a dog free beach is a dog free beach so yes, the bylaw officer could have (and should have) asked each and every dog owner there to leave instead of singling peterm15 out.

[MarkWB]

How many people are going to ignore the OSPCA saying they're not government funded on their own damn website...

I'm not hating your dogs or agreeing with animal abusers or being "ignorant" in any other way, I just don't want your dog around my picnic on a dog-free beach...that's not much to ask lol like I said, I respect non-smokers by not smoking indoors/in non smoking outdoor areas, so why can't people respect the no dog rule?

And as for the small dog comments, if the dog is small enough for me not to see it and it's quiet, I don't care, because it's not bothering me. The rule is there so by-law officers can enforce it AT THEIR DISCRETION, like every other by law. The union isn't why he wouldn't get in trouble, it's just his choice to ticket you or warn you or not.

[peterm15]

Thanks guys.
You made my point in many less words then I could have.

[Wes08M3]

The OSPCA is not the only animal rescue facility in Ontario. The Thunder Bay Humane Society received somewhere around $240,000 in government funds in 2008.

Nobody is saying there shouldn't be "dog free" areas, there should be. Some people are terrified of dogs and we as dog owners should respect that. BUT there should be dog friendly areas as well (like a dog friendly beach in Barrie, my point from the beginning) there is respect for no dog areas and there should be respect for dog areas. If peterm15 had seen large obvious signs saying NO DOGS and there were no other dogs in sight (small or otherwise) I'm sure as a responsible dog owner he would have taken his dog somewhere else.

[Hyperion]

Holy sheet this thread is the most deserving of this ever

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs37/f/2008/285/e/f/Successfully_Derailed_by_chimangetsu.png

[n00bMeiSter]

We can't restric peoples ability to spend money for what they want, and what they do with the byproduct/consequences. Kids are a byproduct of not using protection properly.

WTF? So what you're saying is if your parents knew how to use a condom you wouldn't be here?




Dog droppings should be cleaned up by a responsible owner. If you "have" to deal with droppings then you should take it up with the owner of said dog

Right, you go find the owner of the dog who shit on the beach 3 hours before you got there. That's right, you can't. And not all dogs behave properly when they are off-leash, which is another reason why there are restrictions. There are people with severe allergies to dogs, people who are afraid of dogs, but also dogs that just don't ****ing listen and go nuts while off leash and may decide it might be fun to "play" with some random stranger, but their version of "play" is much too aggressive and is more along the lines of attacking. And then you get the dogs that are overly territorial or overly aggressive and can't be allowed off leash on the beach, but we have no way of stopping that dog from entering the beach other than to simply ban all dogs from a certain beach. While I agree it sucks, unfortunately there's no other way right now, unless mandatory pet licenses and obedience training is enforced if you wish to own a dog.




bahahaha... but kids do that ALL THE TIME!!!!!!!

thankfully it ends up in their underwear and not the floor/grounds of wherever they happen to be at the time lol




I wish there was such a thing as a kid free beach.... and kid free air planes... etc....

THIS.




Again having been offered a PAYING job at OSPCA. It IS a government funded position. It MAY be funded through the humane society ( not sure on that one)but is still government funded. They write things like that for more funding from the public.

I believe there is a law against lying to the public and saying you are not government funded if you actually are.





That one, lone, by-law officer is trying to do his job to the best of his ability. He can't possibly tell every dog owner (who is likely hiding their little pocket pooch) to lose the dog

If that's his job that my tax dollars are paying him to do, he damn well f*cking better go around the beach. Since that's what he's being paid for. And you don't know if he's alone, he could be working the beach with another rent-a-sissy.

[n00bMeiSter]

Holy sheet this thread is the most deserving of this ever

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs37/f/2008/285/e/f/Successfully_Derailed_by_chimangetsu.png

lmao

[rzapata]

Just a normal day... And...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4CDM18eQIc&feature=player_detailpage

[peterm15]

Just a normal day... And...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4CDM18eQIc&feature=player_detailpage

Back on track. Lol

That phew sound makes that vid. I was waiting for something big to happen then I realized that must have been a short stop. Good thing you did though.

[Lactose]

I'd like to preface this with: I hate replying to multi quotes. Also I do not own a dog, nor do I have kids.



Right, you go find the owner of the dog who shit on the beach 3 hours before you got there. That's right, you can't. And not all dogs behave properly when they are off-leash, which is another reason why there are restrictions. There are people with severe allergies to dogs, people who are afraid of dogs, but also dogs that just don't ****ing listen and go nuts while off leash and may decide it might be fun to "play" with some random stranger, but their version of "play" is much too aggressive and is more along the lines of attacking. And then you get the dogs that are overly territorial or overly aggressive and can't be allowed off leash on the beach, but we have no way of stopping that dog from entering the beach other than to simply ban all dogs from a certain beach. While I agree it sucks, unfortunately there's no other way right now, unless mandatory pet licenses and obedience training is enforced if you wish to own a dog.

The argument wasn't about being off leash, its the 2m rule. If a dog is untrained its the owners fault. The same can be said of people or kids who go crazy. I've been to beaches where kids run around, splash water at strangers, and throw sand at people while the parents sleep and ignore you...



thankfully it ends up in their underwear and not the floor/grounds of wherever they happen to be at the time lol

I've seen people leave diapers on the beach/campsites.



If that's his job that my tax dollars are paying him to do, he damn well f*cking better go around the beach. Since that's what he's being paid for. And you don't know if he's alone, he could be working the beach with another rent-a-sissy.

I'd rather my tax dollars be put towards fixing potholes, sidewalks, and public parks.


I have no problem with the rules, its not 24/7 only during peak hours. People don't know how to keep their dogs under control sometimes, and people don't like it sure. It sucks but there should be a sign saying "No dogs between these hours". The biggest problem with this is the double standard. I know where they're coming from with the bigger dogs, they make me more worried than little dogs, cuz in the end I can probably punt a shitzu if it tries to attack me. The other problem is that the few ruin it for the many. Some dog owners cant take care of their dogs properly so it ruins it for those who are good at what they do. My neighbors dogs are awesome, always out on their front lawn without leash when I'm working on my car, or in the backyard (when we didnt have fences) and they just sit there. Sadly it's not the same with all dogs/dog owners.

[rzapata]

Back on track. Lol

That phew sound makes that vid. I was waiting for something big to happen then I realized that must have been a short stop. Good thing you did though.

I thought the corolla's gonna crash. Good thing I was far behind or else who knows what could have happened.

Oh, the audio's so crappy, I didn't think you'd hear the phew sound. :chuckle

[peterm15]

Watched it again and saw the smoke. Someone was lucky.

[SammyBros]

Was driving road (as I live in the country) I have a really windy road with big hills. At the top of the hill was several loads of horse droppings.... to my luck I avoided *most* of the larger piles :P lol that was the event of the day...

[Wes08M3]

I'd like to preface this with: I hate replying to multi quotes. Also I do not own a dog, nor do I have kids.

The argument wasn't about being off leash, its the 2m rule. If a dog is untrained its the owners fault. The same can be said of people or kids who go crazy. I've been to beaches where kids run around, splash water at strangers, and throw sand at people while the parents sleep and ignore you...

I've seen people leave diapers on the beach/campsites.

I'd rather my tax dollars be put towards fixing potholes, sidewalks, and public parks.

I have no problem with the rules, its not 24/7 only during peak hours. People don't know how to keep their dogs under control sometimes, and people don't like it sure. It sucks but there should be a sign saying "No dogs between these hours". The biggest problem with this is the double standard. I know where they're coming from with the bigger dogs, they make me more worried than little dogs, cuz in the end I can probably punt a shitzu if it tries to attack me. The other problem is that the few ruin it for the many. Some dog owners cant take care of their dogs properly so it ruins it for those who are good at what they do. My neighbors dogs are awesome, always out on their front lawn without leash when I'm working on my car, or in the backyard (when we didnt have fences) and they just sit there. Sadly it's not the same with all dogs/dog owners.

I agree with it all.


Was driving road (as I live in the country) I have a really windy road with big hills. At the top of the hill was several loads of horse droppings.... to my luck I avoided *most* of the larger piles :P lol that was the event of the day...

Those damn horse owners not cleaning up after their pets! Good thing it wasn't on a beach...

[Slade]

If mennonites can let their horses shit on the public land and not pick it up, should I be able to let my dog do it it?

I'm on holidays, so my day's have been great :D