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cwp_sedan
08-01-2012, 11:33 AM
How dumb do you have to be? It's extremely obvious that they threw the match but even when warned they kept playing like that.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8wKciVnrxc

http://www.ctvolympics.ca/racquet-sports/news/article/eight-badminton-players-disqualified-from-london-2012.html



Eight Badminton Players Disqualified for Throwing Matches

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LONDON - Eight female badminton doubles players were disqualified from the London 2012 Olympic Games after trying to lose matches to receive a more favourable place in the tournament, Indonesia's team leader said Wednesday.

The Badminton World Federation investigated two teams from South Korea and one each from China and Indonesia. It accused them of "not using one's best efforts to win a match" and "conducting oneself in a manner that is clearly abusive or detrimental to the sport" in matches Tuesday night.

Erick Thohir, the head of Indonesia's Olympic team, told The Associated Press that the Indonesian team will appeal. He also accused China of losing on purpose in the past.

"China has been doing this so many times and they never get sanctioned by the BWF," Thohir said. "On the first game yesterday when China did it, the BWF didn't do anything. If the BWF do something on the first game and they say you are disqualified, it is a warning for everyone."

IOC Vice-President Craig Reedie, the former head of the international badminton federation, welcomed the decision.

"Sport is competitive," Reedie told the AP. "If you lose the competitive element, then the whole thing becomes a nonsense.

"You cannot allow a player to abuse the tournament like that, and not take firm action. So good on them."

The eight disqualified players are world doubles champions Wang Xiaoli and Yu Yang of China and their South Korean opponents Jung Kyun-eun and Kim Ha-na, along with South Korea's Ha Jung-eun and Kim Min-jung and Indonesia's Meiliana Jauhari and Greysia Polii.

The players went before a disciplinary hearing Wednesday, a day after spectators at the arena booed their performance after it became clear they were deliberately trying to lose.

International Olympic Committee President Jacques Rogge had been at the venue but had left shortly before the drama unfolded. The IOC said it would allow badminton's ruling body to handle the matter.

Paul Deighton, chief executive officer of the London organizers, said there would be no refunds for the evening's badminton program. Chairman Sebastian Coe called what happened "depressing," adding "who wants to sit through something like that?"

Teams blamed the introduction of a round-robin stage rather than a straight knockout tournament as the main cause of the problem. In the round-robin format, losing one game can lead to an easier matchup in the next round.

The Chinese players were accused of leading the way by deliberately losing a game. This led to other teams behaving in a similar way to try to force an easier quarter-final. At one stage, both teams appeared to be trying to lose.

Wang and Yu and their opponents were booed loudly by the crowd after dumping serves into the net and making simple errors, such as hitting the shuttle**** wide.

The longest rally in their first game was only four strokes. The umpire warned them, and tournament referee Torsten Berg spoke to all four players but it had little effect. At one stage, Berg showed a black card, which usually means disqualification, but the game continued.

Eventually, the Chinese women lost 21-14, 21-11 and both pairs were jeered off the court.

The teams had already qualified for knockout round, but the result ensured that the top-seeded Wang and Yu would have avoided playing their No. 2-seeded Chinese teammates until the final.

The problem was repeated in the next women's doubles between South Korea's Ha and Kim Min-jung and their Indonesian opponents. Both teams were also warned for deliberately losing points in a match the South Koreans won 18-21, 21-14, 21-12.

China's Lin Dan, the No. 2-ranked men's singles player, said through an interpreter the sport is going to be damaged.

"Especially for the audience," he said before the disqualifications were announced. "This is definitely not within the Olympic spirit. But like I said before, it's not one-sided. Whoever sets the rule should make it knockout so whoever doesn't try will just leave the Olympics."

Beijing badminton silver medallist Gail Emms said the matches were embarrassing to watch.

"It was absolutely shocking," she said. "The crowds were booing and chanting 'Off, off, off.'"

Lactose
08-01-2012, 11:43 AM
I find the funniest part that shuttlec-o-c-k was censored.

S.F.W.
08-01-2012, 11:45 AM
Saw this, good call by the federation to DQ the teams from competition.

midnightfxgt
08-01-2012, 12:39 PM
The ppl disqualified should be banned from future Olympics as well IMHO.

rzapata
08-01-2012, 12:50 PM
What the Fakhurma-Jalmaadama-Amliyaaa!!!


The ppl disqualified should be banned from future Olympics as well IMHO.

Not just from the olympics, from any badminton competitions worldwide! Hate it when something like this happens even at the highest level of competitive sports.

ZeroChalk
08-01-2012, 12:50 PM
I blame a poorly designed tournament. Every sport involves some sort of strategizing (time wasting, positioning, conserving energy).. in this case it was blatantly obvious.

Lactose
08-01-2012, 12:53 PM
I blame a poorly designed tournament. Every sport involves some sort of strategizing (time wasting, positioning, conserving energy).. in this case it was blatantly obvious.

I did stuff like this all the time in CS leagues/tournies.

ZeroChalk
08-01-2012, 12:55 PM
What the Fakhurma-Jalmaadama-Amliyaaa!!!



Not just from the olympics, from any badminton competitions worldwide! Hate it when something like this happens even at the highest level of competitive sports.

Now that's just overkill! Fix the system.

rzapata
08-01-2012, 01:00 PM
Now that's just overkill! Fix the system.

There will never be a "perfect" system. Come on, you sign up to participate in a competitive sport yet you want to get away with the easiest possible method? Sometimes it's not the system, it's the people that's within it, taking advantage of shortcomings...

Cudgel
08-01-2012, 01:13 PM
Sad to see this happen but you have to fault the new rule that was introduced. If it was straight knock out rounds, everyone would be trying their best to win. When you do round robins, people will manipulate/outsmart the system (lose now and play against a weaker opponent and win later).

This also happened at the 2006 Winter Olympics with the Swedish hockey team. They lost their final game in pool b so that they wouldn't have to face Canada or the Czechs in the quarter finals to almost guarantee them a bronze medal. They ended up winning the gold medal that year.

http://www.habsblog.com/the-nhl/rumors/team-sweden-to-lose-on-purpose/

-RJ3-
08-01-2012, 01:45 PM
Bad representation of what Badminton is.

Wow, many people would think badminton is boring, watching this would make them not bother to watch it.

I feel bad for the badminton leagues who witnessed this as well.

Lactose
08-01-2012, 01:59 PM
Bad representation of what Badminton is.

Wow, many people would think badminton is boring, watching this would make them not bother to watch it.

I feel bad for the badminton leagues who witnessed this as well.


Those badminton players are pretty instense when playing for real, shit gets intense.

mazdaagain
08-01-2012, 04:45 PM
The whole problem is that they made it so blatently obvious that they were throwing the game. If it wasn't so obvious then the governing body wouldn't be able to do much. Also if there is more than 2 teams doing this then there are issues with the format to be fixed.

beyond
08-01-2012, 05:12 PM
Dang...I'm ashamed to play badminton...
Gonna go cancel all the courts I booked tonight lol

Gracia
08-02-2012, 08:55 AM
Whew! Even in an event like Olympics, fixing of matches is existing! Well, pity the players...

Lactose
08-02-2012, 09:07 AM
Whew! Even in an event like Olympics, fixing of matches is existing! Well, pity the players...

To me that's not "match fixing". To me match fixing is a little more "serious" than that. That was trying to get better odds by purposely playing at a lower standard. There's no pitying the players, they're the ones who caused the problems (the one involved ofcourse). I just really hope Canada doesnt Celibrate like crazy if they win a medal.

Gracia
08-02-2012, 09:17 AM
What's next for the 8 disqualified players? Are their respective associations have taken necessary steps that this incident would not happen again in the future?

Lactose
08-02-2012, 09:32 AM
What's next for the 8 disqualified players? Are their respective associations have taken necessary steps that this incident would not happen again in the future?

One player said she wasnt going to play anymore. It seems as though this is not a new thing for the sport, and that it happens all the time at lower levels of play.

ZeroChalk
08-02-2012, 09:33 AM
To me that's not "match fixing". To me match fixing is a little more "serious" than that. That was trying to get better odds by purposely playing at a lower standard. There's no pitying the players, they're the ones who caused the problems (the one involved ofcourse). I just really hope Canada doesnt Celibrate like crazy if they win a medal.

+1 If I'd won Gold because 4 of the best teams go disqualified - It would be a shallow victory. Mazdaagain said it best, if more then a couple of teams are thowing games then clearly there is a problem with the system. Players took advantage of a crappy tournament system, why penalize them on that? It's not like they were cheating - just positioning for the next round.

However - after watching the games they played and the fair warning... you would think they would smartened up. Perhaps it was a language barrier. I guess this sets the precedent - DQ is a tough thing to swallow since this the Olympics is every 4 years.

Lactose
08-02-2012, 09:35 AM
+1 If I'd won Gold because 4 of the best teams go disqualified - It would be a shallow victory. Mazdaagain said it best, if more then a couple of teams are thowing games then clearly there is a problem with the system. Players took advantage of a crappy tournament system, why penalize them on that? It's not like they were cheating - just positioning for the next round.

However - after watching the games they played and the fair warning... you would think they would smartened up. Perhaps it was a language barrier. I guess this sets the precedent - DQ is a tough thing to swallow since this the Olympics is every 4 years.


Language Barrier is a cheap excuse. There should always be translators on hand, if IOC doesnt provide and you dont bring one yourself, that's your problem.

midnightfxgt
08-02-2012, 09:51 AM
Agreed. Its not a harsh penalty at all. They were warned that they could be disqualified, and still put on this shameless display. They showed no competitive spirit or drive. They were simply looking for an easy way to advance with the least amount of resistance.

To see something like this on an Olympic level is terrible, and I am glad they are banned. It should show the IOC that the format may need to be changed, so something good may come from it.

-John

FoXy
08-02-2012, 10:13 AM
Damn, I can't see the video at work... damn LA server... cant view this from "my country"... BOO!

Cudgel
08-02-2012, 11:16 AM
Again, I blame the system and the coaches more (although the players all did a very poor acting job). This is the first year that badminton in the Olympics had round robins. Top 2 teams in each group moves on but if they had straight knock out eliminations, there wouldn't be a problem. I think this whole round robin came was the IOC's idea of trying to promote/encourage other countries to push and develop this sport as round robins gives the weaker countries.

It's just like hockey, basketball, etc. If you made the playoffs already, you take out your starters so they can rest because if you lose, it doesn't matter. Make sure they are fresh for the playoffs. Strategy.

The Japanese coach of the woman's soccer team just admitted to telling them not to win but to tie.
http://blog.sfgate.com/olympics/2012/08/01/coach-of-japan-women%E2%80%99s-soccer-team-admits-telling-players-not-to-win-against-south-africa/

These things happen a lot more than we think.

midnightfxgt
08-02-2012, 11:42 AM
If you made the playoffs already, you take out your starters so they can rest because if you lose, it doesn't matter. Make sure they are fresh for the playoffs. Strategy.

Taking out key players, is strategy. Its is totally different than throwing a game, and making the sport look like a joke on the world stage. When its done in the NHL, its done when it makes no difference. The matchups are determined etc.

-John

Lactose
08-02-2012, 11:55 AM
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/08/02/chinas-yu-yang-quits-badminton-after-olympic-cheating-scandal/

TLDR; Top player that was DQ'd quits badminton saying that they shattered their dreams.

midnightfxgt
08-02-2012, 12:23 PM
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/08/02/chinas-yu-yang-quits-badminton-after-olympic-cheating-scandal/

TLDR; Top player that was DQ'd quits badminton saying that they shattered their dreams.

She's looking for attention plain and simple. They were warned, the proceeded, they were banned. Good on the IOC for trying to keep some integrity on this. She should really be writing about how she has trained for years and years to be the best she can, yet wanted a mathematical advantage to prove she was the best in the world? She needs some dignity.

rzapata
08-02-2012, 12:29 PM
She's looking for attention plain and simple. They were warned, the proceeded, they were banned. Good on the IOC for trying to keep some integrity on this. She should really be writing about how she has trained for years and years to be the best she can, yet wanted a mathematical advantage to prove she was the best in the world? She needs some dignity.

Exactly! Wait a few months (maybe a year), she'll be back playing (the system) again... As if being disqualified in the Olympics is not enough attention already...

Lactose
08-02-2012, 12:46 PM
She's looking for attention plain and simple. They were warned, the proceeded, they were banned. Good on the IOC for trying to keep some integrity on this. She should really be writing about how she has trained for years and years to be the best she can, yet wanted a mathematical advantage to prove she was the best in the world? She needs some dignity.


Asians do love their numbers. :chuckle

ZeroChalk
08-02-2012, 01:30 PM
Taking out key players, is strategy. Its is totally different than throwing a game, and making the sport look like a joke on the world stage. When its done in the NHL, its done when it makes no difference. The matchups are determined etc.

-John

No it's not like that - China wanted to improve the odds of winning more medals. Why pit your best players against each other and eliminate themselves. The other groups saw what China was doing and copied.

The more I think of it the more I disagree with the IOC stance. China wanted her to apologize for her actions but she said what did I was not wrong so she quit badminton in protest.

I think Canada is in the quarter finals by default.

midnightfxgt
08-02-2012, 01:40 PM
I am not saying it's just China. All of them deserve the same, as they all did it.

They tried to exploit the system, and not compete at an Olympic level, which is what the whole thing is about. Perhaps when they were warned, they should have listened? They got fair warning and decided not to. Too bad. Next time they will abide by the rules.

-John

Aitch
08-02-2012, 02:02 PM
If you're going to try and lose, at least just miss easy shots from your opponents, or deliberately make bad shots over the net in return. What they did was an absolute joke. Yes, strategically reduced efforts in round robins will happen, but there is no need to just be like "oops, another bad serve". Go at 80%, not 0%.

ovie8
08-02-2012, 02:04 PM
I don't see anything wrong with deliberately losing a match...but they should not have done it in a fashion that mocks the system. They could have done it in subtle ways...

But I believe they were over themselves on personal pride (China). They did not want to show that other competitors were able to beat them and that they chose to lose.

Hoodzy
08-02-2012, 09:09 PM
Sorry when you round robin the tournament what do you expect people do to.. It then becomes strategy in how to win. That's the point isn't it??
Just because they are at the end of the issue doesn't mean they deserve full blame. The system is flawed.

hisakix
08-02-2012, 09:56 PM
Yes, the system is flawed, yes, I do agree on the points members have brought up here. But did you and I watch the same match? Did you watch the entire match in video? They served INTO THE NET. It was ****ing embarrassing. I agree it's a flawed system, but throwing a match in that manner is not acceptable. Again, did you guys watch the same match? All of it? The most pity I feel are for the remaining teams who end up winning the Gold/Silver/Bronze and feel cheating out by the lack of world class competition.

Ogata
08-03-2012, 06:22 PM
so who ended up winning the gold?

loosecannon
08-03-2012, 07:30 PM
so who ended up winning the gold?

Gold medal match is tomorrow I believe.