what kinda of gas do you use and find best?

[Genpu_Mz3]

HEY,
I was just wondering where everyone buys their gas from? and what gas station do you think has the better gasoline to use.
I personally like to use gas from shell and esso, i get great gas mileage from both. but i like the way my car runs when i use shell more then esso, I dunno if its a psychological thing or if its cause i get air miles lol.

[Wes08M3]

I strictly use shell gas. Gotta have that nitrogen enrichment lol.

I've heard Esso gas has a higher sulfur content than most others.

[Genpu_Mz3]

I strictly use shell gas. Gotta have that nitrogen enrichment lol.

I've heard Esso gas has a higher sulfur content than most others.
lol! gotta stay enriched!

[Reddie1337]

I use Petro-Canada religiously, that's all I put in both my cars. I mainly used it because it was the easiest one for me to fill up at, then CIBC got the Petro-Points MasterCard with 2cent discount, even more of an incentive :D Absolutely no complaints, and I tested other stations first, and came upon the verdict that the difference between the bigger stations could just be chalked up to the fact of it not being the same route every tank.

[zoomahh]

Shell all the way baby ;)

[Cab0oze]

I have never noticed a difference. I typically go to Ultramar because 91 is -2c on thursdays, which makes it cheaper than 89 here in qc. They also have a promotion every year where you get between 75c and 5$ back on every 25L you buy all summer long (mystery rebates).

I'll take instant rebates over lame reward programs any day.

[sammifan]

^same, I've been gassing up at Ultramar on cheapy Thursdays 90% of the time in the past few years. Once in a while I'll gas up at Petro Canada (only for their 94 octane). I would put Shell V-power more often if it wasn't so out of my way.

[mazdabetty]

^ Yeah gabbygenier and I have both noticed a significant difference in mileage when using Ultramar. Probably a coincidence but we usually stick with that now.

[Genpu_Mz3]

sounds like guelph needs an ultramar! how often do you guys run 91 or 94 ( if your so privileged to find it)? i try to once a month or so, just to burn up any gunk that may be in the cylinder.

[sammifan]

My car requires a minimum of 91 octane. I'll put 94 when prices are reasonable.

[Thrizzl3]

94 octane because RACECAR!

[FoXy]

Shell... and Ultramar (cus its always cheap and beside my work) !

[Wes08M3]

sounds like guelph needs an ultramar! how often do you guys run 91 or 94 ( if your so privileged to find it)? i try to once a month or so, just to burn up any gunk that may be in the cylinder.

This is a bit of a misconception. If your car doesn't require 91 or higher octane, putting it in won't do anything beneficial for the most part.

Speaking with regards to only naturally aspirated engines, our cars don't have a high enough compression ratio to make efficient use of the higher octane fuel. So there's a chance you're not even fully combusting the fuel and therefore are just adding more "gunk" to your engine rather than burning it away.

[silverstarmazda]

i use the esso near my place because its brand new. that means the tank underground is new too, so less chance of any contamination. plus its next to a walmart super center lol.

[Genpu_Mz3]

This is a bit of a misconception. If your car doesn't require 91 or higher octane, putting it in won't do anything beneficial for the most part.

Speaking with regards to only naturally aspirated engines, our cars don't have a high enough compression ratio to make efficient use of the higher octane fuel. So there's a chance you're not even fully combusting the fuel and therefore are just adding more "gunk" to your engine rather than burning it away.

LOL! I'm fooled by shell, i figured i was doing some sorta good, lol, thanks man, I never thought in that, im just like " ok honey here's some nice 91 for ya so you still know i love you" lol!

[silverstarmazda]

LOL! I'm fooled by shell, i figured i was doing some sorta good, lol, thanks man, I never thought in that, im just like " ok honey here's some nice 91 for ya so you still know i love you" lol!

nahh, jus run what the manual says to run. BUT if you do the advanced timing mod, you can benefit from the higher octane.

[Wes08M3]

Yeah I wouldn't bother with it because it's questionable at best as to whether you're actually doing any good or not. Just save your money lol.

Maybe others have a different opinion but that's just mine.

As silverstarmazda said though, it's a different story if you start playing with ignition timing, or add forced induction.

[silverstarmazda]

Yeah I wouldn't bother with it because it's questionable at best as to whether you're actually doing any good or not. Just save your money lol.

Maybe others have a different opinion but that's just mine.

As silverstarmazda said though, it's a different story if you start playing with ignition timing, or add forced induction.

Apparently the timing mod only makes the car feel smoother and peppier... I was planning on doing it but then gas prices started to spike

[Booter22]

i use petro most of the time but i find my 3 rally likes esso, and every now and again i put a 91 or as in right now 94 through it. give it a clean out. likes it either way. stopped looking at what it costs a while ago at the end of the day we need gas so when its empty i fill it up.

[Bosshammy]

i go with ultramart 91, its 1 cent off all days but thursday and friday its 3.5 cents off per liter

[Prezi]

I use Petro Canada allllllllllllllllllll the time.... lol

[2012speed3]

I use Shell 91 whenever possible.

[SomeGuy]

Ultra94 ... because: tuned.

[rzapata]

My car loves Shell 91... Tried Petro 91 but the car didn't feel at all the same (psychological perhaps, who knows). Only thing I don't like is the egg smell. :chuckle

When I tried Petro 91, the egg smell was gone so it's not the cat.

[Pereira11]

Irrelevant since mine is a Honda but i get the best fuel economy from Esso. Ive tried Shell, Petro, Husky etc and always get the best results with Esso.

[Nova 3 GT]

I've been using Shell's regular gas since I got my car back in 2006. It gave me the best mileage per tank but since they closed the refinery in Montreal a couple years ago, I went back to my original location which I went to with my old car: Canadian Tire gas station:P

I get 1$ of CT money every time I gas up there and I know who supply CT gas in my area: Irving and Ultramar. ;)

[Nova 3 GT]

By the way, I stumbled onto this article:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-drive/car-tips/where-your-gas-comes-from/article535112/

[Reddie1337]

By the way, I stumbled onto this article:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-drive/car-tips/where-your-gas-comes-from/article535112/

Not quite sure what the article is trying to get across? It says that the gas stations all get them from one place, but they are all different, so it makes me think that there is something to filling up at different stations that helps certain cars and not others.

So if I get good mileage from Petro, but someone else gets better from Shell, it doesn't really matter?

[thirdgen3]

Have always put Petro in my cars, rarely anything else....would risk running out of gas to make it to one.

[Reddie1337]

Have always put Petro in my cars, rarely anything else....would risk running out of gas to make it to one.

Yeah, I've almost done it too :P

[silverstarmazda]

Have always put Petro in my cars, rarely anything else....would risk running out of gas to make it to one.

lol i almost ran my car dry just limping to an esso lol. i find that petro and esso seem too have very similar gasolines... as far as operation smoothness and fuel economy.

[Reddie1337]

lol i almost ran my car dry just limping to an esso lol. i find that petro and esso seem too have very similar gasolines... as far as operation smoothness and fuel economy.

Yeah, I would rather get my 2cents off a litre when I can :P

[silverstarmazda]

Yeah, I would rather get my 2cents off a litre when I can :P

lol i get no discount at all. there was another new gas station called pioneer that sells gas a couple cents lower. didnt notice much of a difference. but you know how people tell you its crappier gas. so i just went back with esso. we have 50km when the light comes on. the max i ever gone since the light came up was about 40km. and that was with careful driving lol. i dont like running the tank dry like that but sometimes theres no option.

[Reddie1337]

lol i get no discount at all. there was another new gas station called pioneer that sells gas a couple cents lower. didnt notice much of a difference. but you know how people tell you its crappier gas. so i just went back with esso. we have 50km when the light comes on. the max i ever gone since the light came up was about 40km. and that was with careful driving lol. i dont like running the tank dry like that but sometimes theres no option.

"Pioneer" is no where near a new gas station, unless where ever you are had copied the name and didn't know it. and 50 k if you are driving like a race car driver. My light comes on at 46 litres, this tank is a 55 litre tank, You could go almost 100km more most likely.

[-ToM-]

my light goes on when i have 40km left, according to the computer, idk if its very reliable tho

[aris]

Where ever its cheaper.... I try my best not to fill at petro canada :p

[silverstarmazda]

"Pioneer" is no where near a new gas station, unless where ever you are had copied the name and didn't know it. and 50 k if you are driving like a race car driver. My light comes on at 46 litres, this tank is a 55 litre tank, You could go almost 100km more most likely.

no no no!! i meant they bult a new one near me lol. some other member got around 50 km after the light came on. he drove until the engine stuttered and died. had to refuel on foot lol. i try not to run it that low since i dont want to kill my pump

[Adamo23]

my light goes on when i have 40km left, according to the computer, idk if its very reliable tho

after i got rear ended i had a ford focus rental car and the trip computer said i had 31KM left on the tank and and i ran out. ive taken the one on my mazda to 0KM once lol

[Reddie1337]

I would trust the size of the tank from Mazda specs, and I know that when my light comes on, its 46 litres to fill, I have never put over $60 into my Mazda at one time, so I would run it probably for 50-75 km then think of filling up, if I really had to. I hardly ever let it get that low though.

[silverstarmazda]

ugh these gas prices lol

[mParsonz]

Only ever put Petro in my car.. Though my gas mileage has been getting worse and worse, and I've been trying to drive more conservatively, whats up with thaaat.

[silverstarmazda]

Only ever put Petro in my car.. Though my gas mileage has been getting worse and worse, and I've been trying to drive more conservatively, whats up with thaaat.

IM NOT THE ONLY ONE!! lol i dont know...maybe because its summer were driving more. that or were getting cheated by the gas were getting, specially burning extra fast lol

[Thrizzl3]

IM NOT THE ONLY ONE!! lol i dont know...maybe because its summer were driving more. that or were getting cheated by the gas were getting, specially burning extra fast lol

so now all of a sudden you have a shitload of gas money to go places? when did you play the lottery?

[loki]

so now all of a sudden you have a shitload of gas money to go places? when did you play the lottery?

but but but....the AutoX in Brampton is the day before H4H

decisions decisions....

[loki]

after i got rear ended i had a ford focus rental car and the trip computer said i had 31KM left on the tank and and i ran out. ive taken the one on my mazda to 0KM once lol

on Thursday I took my car down to 0km range for a while, drove to a shell and put in 7 litres of 91 because I couldn't find Ultra 94 and the car was going to run out of gas.

7 litres of fuel and the trip computer still said 0km range...that's pushing it

[silverstarmazda]

so now all of a sudden you have a shitload of gas money to go places? when did you play the lottery?

lol nahh, dont have a shit load of money cuz im busy filling my car with gas.

[mikey32235]

94!

[Tahna Los]

My preferences are Shell and Petro Canada. Especially Shell as I need to get my Air Miles Balance up there. The promotional card for 10 bonus points per pump certainly doesn't hurt. Gotta get me a new camcorder.

I only consider Petro Canada if there are no Shells available or Petro Canada's promotion is simply better than Shell.

[McGuyver_3]

depends on the car itself. Call me crazy but its true

[flex167]

cheaper the better! don`t know about you guys in GTA but ~130 for 87.....:rant

[flex167]

cheaper the better! don`t know about you guys in GTA but ~130 for 87.....:rant

Forgot.. in montreal

[loki]

Forgot.. in montreal

That's because you pay double the hst in Montreal

First in English, then in French. End result is $1.30 for 87 when today I paid $1.33 for ultra 94

[Hotsky]

I never gave it too much thought and fill up where it's cheap so Pioneer or Global. And sometimes at Costco.

As for higher octane I only got it a few times (where they ran out of 87 and were giving out 91 for same price :D) but I noticed every time that the car was acting more aggressively lol

[aris]

I fill up at the reserve now... 15 cents cheaper.

$1.04 their

[peterm15]

I fill up at the reserve now... 15 cents cheaper.

$1.04 their

What reserve? And do you have a status card?

[aris]

What reserve? And do you have a status card?

Status card for what? I'm Greek

I'm not from Toronto... I live in Belleville area.

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af102/aristeidis/D482BFE4-8A70-4B97-A5B0-4BCF6A6C097B-18806-0000138D9FFA78D8.jpg

[FD22]

I fill up at the reserve now... 15 cents cheaper.

$1.04 their

Wow, what a price. I heard on the radio a couple days ago that gas should be less than a dollar in the GTA by Christmas time.

[standsideways]

Status card for what? I'm Greek


Ive been buying goodies on native reserves across canada for 15 years and still have yet to be asked for a card.

I buy cigarettes for people every week in oshweken, i gotta check the gas prices next time(not that they have 94 but w/e just for shits n giggs)

They must card sometimes, some places tho...maybe during peak hours

[aris]

I don't know about smokes to much cause I don't smoke but my dad buys his smokes from their with problems.

As for the gas that's the price for everyone... I think the natives get it cheaper with their band card.

[Default User]

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[aris]

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[Default User]

Cool - me too
now change your quote, quoting me - and nobody will ever no LOL

[flex167]

That's because you pay double the hst in Montreal

First in English, then in French. End result is $1.30 for 87 when today I paid $1.33 for ultra 94

.....yep...........the french......

[cobra]

sounds like guelph needs an ultramar! how often do you guys run 91 or 94 ( if your so privileged to find it)? i try to once a month or so, just to burn up any gunk that may be in the cylinder.

If you want to clean up the insides of the engine, try Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRy0QnzuW58). It works great in both gas and diesel engines. I use it all the time in my transport truck.

[silverstarmazda]

If you want to clean up the insides of the engine, try Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRy0QnzuW58). It works great in both gas and diesel engines. I use it all the time in my transport truck.

i use to use this but i havnt had much difference in anything... i use the big bottle and squirt it in every time i fill up. dquirt in about a small bottles worth. also heard that these might cause the spark plugs to foul a bit

[leungalv]

I get 91 octane for 0.84 cents / liter approximately at the Ambassador Bridge Windsor / Detroit crossing ... not much difference in gas consumption or performance though.

[mikey32235]

94, i would love to try race gas and see the difference

[silverstarmazda]

94, i would love to try race gas and see the difference

your car is gotta need a tune though...

[Thrizzl3]

your car is gotta need a tune though...

Why?

[silverstarmazda]

Why?

to get the most out of the race fuel.

[09ms3]

summer gas blend... and I miss it now that they are pumping the winter gas

[horto]

Why?

Because race car. Duh.

[geobur]

ya I use Petro Canada almost exclusively as I collect Petro points. (the 5 cent per liter fuel saving card is awesome when I have enough points) and I usually get 91 octane and if they have it 94. I find the car runs better I find I get better fuel economy and greater performance. (it shifts better/easier) I notice a huge difference if I put in 87 now...I let my sister use my car for her g2 test and she filled it for me after but put in 87 and the car just seemed to hate me until I got that crap out of her system :p now she loves me again!

Ultimately IMO there is just no comparison between the lower grade gas and the high octane.

[Reddie1337]

ya I use Petro Canada almost exclusively as I collect Petro points. (the 5 cent per liter fuel saving card is awesome when I have enough points)

I use Petro too, but that card isn't really worth it. You should just get the CIBC Petro Points card, save 2 cents a litre instead. I have it, and use it for every tank :) you're better off getting washer fluid with your points or something in store. The card takes 15000 points to get and only saves you $10. I think it's 5000 points for washer fluid. And that's worth 5 bucks.

[geobur]

The card takes 15000 points to get and only saves you $10.

I have never calculated it out before...is that all it saves me?? That's a bit of a buzz kill :p thanks for bursting my bubble haha it always felt cooler when I used it.

[Reddie1337]

I have never calculated it out before...is that all it saves me?? That's a bit of a buzz kill :p thanks for bursting my bubble haha it always felt cooler when I used it.

Sorry. It's 5 cents on 200 litres I think. Just get the CIBC MasterCard, makes the numbers go down 2 cents on all your gas. Lol. I love it.

[VertigoM]

94, but only because I have to with my tune.

[JrCanuck]

Pioneer, Esso, and Sunoco are all operated by the same company.

HOWEVER, Pioneer does not contain everything that the other stations do; hence the somewhat lesser prices.

[JrCanuck]

Oh, and I just use regular at any station. Gives me the best mileage from experience.

[r4mi5awi]

There shouldn't be a debate about this. Here is a list of the Top Tier Gasoline's (Highest Quality) one can find for filling up his/her vehicle:

TOP TIER Gasoline Retailers:

USA Canada
76 Stations Chevron Canada
Aloha Petroleum Esso
Chevron Petro-Canada
Conoco Shell Canada
CountryMark
Entec Stations
Exxon
Hawaii Fueling Network (HFN)
Holiday Stationstores, Inc.
Kwik Trip / Kwik Star
MFA Oil Co.
Mileage Stations
Mobil
Ohana Fuels
Phillips 66
Quik Trip
Rebel Oil
Road Ranger
Severson Oil
Shell
Texaco
Tri-Par Oil Co.
U.S. Oil

Information can be found here: http://www.toptiergas.com/

Watch the video to understand, very insightful. Hope it helps :)

[r4mi5awi]

There shouldn't be a debate about this. Here is a list of the Top Tier Gasoline's (Highest Quality) one can find for filling up his/her vehicle:

TOP TIER Gasoline Retailers:

USA Canada
76 Stations Chevron Canada
Aloha Petroleum Esso
Chevron Petro-Canada
Conoco Shell Canada
CountryMark
Entec Stations
Exxon
Hawaii Fueling Network (HFN)
Holiday Stationstores, Inc.
Kwik Trip / Kwik Star
MFA Oil Co.
Mileage Stations
Mobil
Ohana Fuels
Phillips 66
Quik Trip
Rebel Oil
Road Ranger
Severson Oil
Shell
Texaco
Tri-Par Oil Co.
U.S. Oil

Information can be found here: http://www.toptiergas.com/

Watch the video to understand, very insightful. Hope it helps :)

Oopsy, didn't turn out properly.

Canada

Chevron Canada
Esso
Petro-Canada
Shell Canada

[silverstarmazda]

Oopsy, didn't turn out properly.

Canada

Chevron Canada
Esso
Petro-Canada
Shell Canada

lol oh thank god...i was thinking i was getting crap at esso. but to think about it, thats almost all the big gas stations car. so were getting pretty good gas here in canada then

[Reddie1337]

There shouldn't be a debate about this. Here is a list of the Top Tier Gasoline's (Highest Quality) one can find for filling up his/her vehicle:

TOP TIER Gasoline Retailers:
Oopsy, didn't turn out properly.

Canada

Chevron Canada
Esso
Petro-Canada
Shell Canada

Information can be found here: http://www.toptiergas.com/

Watch the video to understand, very insightful. Hope it helps :)


I understand that, but they don't all have to have exactly the same detergents, that's why some people like one compared to the other.

Either way, I use Petro because of my fuel savings, and Petro-points.

[r4mi5awi]

Of course not, the listing only accounts for the amount of additives and detergents mixed into gasoline. As for the different types used, no one knows unless you you're an insider in each of the respective oil companies.

[6strings]

Race Gas!


I joke. Regular only.

[michaelm]

I use shell, but when the gas goes up I use mac's.

[Lumberjack]

Inexpensive gas is the best... I can't believe people saying some gases are better than others. The only thing the gas companies are putting in to make theirs better is snake oil... There is only a handful of manufacturing companies in Canada and everyone buys their gas from them. As for what type of gas there is no benefit to using a higher octane gas if your car doesn't need it. Even if it says it needs it you can still try running regular gas in it - if it "knocks" run a higher octane only then. Marketplace did a whole show on gas and it has been proven using a dyno that using a higher octane gas in a car that doesn't need it actually decreases gas mileage and increases emissions. Their theory is that the car's electronics is trying to compensate for the higher octane and can't run within its designed specifications.

I rarely fill up at the big gas companies with the exception of Ultramar because they have a price match guarantee and usually fill up at the independents (who get their gas from those big companies that people are talking about). People are continually talking about the price of gas like it's the weather these days... Perhaps if people bought their gas where it is cheaper they would promote competitive gas prices here in North America? It makes me sick to see a gas station on all four corners of an intersection with outrageous prices with people lined up only to drive down the street to some hard working independent providing full service getting the shaft cause he doesn't claim that his gas does 'this' or 'that'...

[sarujo]

I stick with new Tier 1 gas vendors. Why you ask? Simple. New stations = new pumps and new non-metal based tanks in the ground, thus no crud and crap. I don't trust old and non-Tier 1 vendors because of this risk. You just don't know what's in the ground. I stick with 87 and toss in some Redline SI-1 throughout the year.

[zmz3]

I have noticed shell bronze gives me better gas most of the time. so shell for me.

[ssolidd]

I regularly use petro because of points and if not just shell.

[thirdgen3]

I used Petro for years (Petro Points). However, I recently started going to Shell for the Airmiles.

[FD22]

I used Petro for years (Petro Points). However, I recently started going to Shell for the Airmiles.

Really? Total opposite of what I'm debating. I always use Shell, but lately I feel like I should give Petro a shot, simply due to the savings. The 2 cents off every litre with petro points definitely seems more rewarding than the crummy airmiles you get with Shell.

[GSXi]

Shell for years, because of EasyPay.

Now that Shell got rid of it (a year ago?), I've since been filling at Esso because of SpeedPass.

Saves quite a bit of time.

[silverstarmazda]

Inexpensive gas is the best... I can't believe people saying some gases are better than others. The only thing the gas companies are putting in to make theirs better is snake oil... There is only a handful of manufacturing companies in Canada and everyone buys their gas from them. As for what type of gas there is no benefit to using a higher octane gas if your car doesn't need it. Even if it says it needs it you can still try running regular gas in it - if it "knocks" run a higher octane only then. Marketplace did a whole show on gas and it has been proven using a dyno that using a higher octane gas in a car that doesn't need it actually decreases gas mileage and increases emissions. Their theory is that the car's electronics is trying to compensate for the higher octane and can't run within its designed specifications.

I rarely fill up at the big gas companies with the exception of Ultramar because they have a price match guarantee and usually fill up at the independents (who get their gas from those big companies that people are talking about). People are continually talking about the price of gas like it's the weather these days... Perhaps if people bought their gas where it is cheaper they would promote competitive gas prices here in North America? It makes me sick to see a gas station on all four corners of an intersection with outrageous prices with people lined up only to drive down the street to some hard working independent providing full service getting the shaft cause he doesn't claim that his gas does 'this' or 'that'...


but you also have to count in the fact of how they treat the gas. during delivery and storage. the lower tier gas stations get theyre gas from the smaller tankers, which are dirty all over. that tells you how they must treat theyre gasoline during receiving, delivery, and drop off. then theres the gas station themselves. these older gas stations tend to neglect tank care and maintenance. thus leading to water build-up and rust in the system. and in an extreme case, environmental contamination of the gasoline and the surrounding area. these gas stations are usually owned by a private family that do very little to care for the station, because they A) cant afford to B) dont care C)raking in the profits and not spending on maintenance. same goes to the truck thats delivering the goods. the gas might be from a good refinery, but by the time its in your tank its probably contaminated. theyll provide full service because they want to promote a good image.

the only "discount" gas station i would go to is pioneer. because theyre a well know and reputable chain. but yes, it makes me sick how these gas companies are getting away with it. literally robbing the people because they see fit. but the reassurance is that the gasoline is less contaminated, tanks are well maintained from the head quarters because the government is forcing them too(protecting theyre own ass because of the gas tax). hired truckers who have has training with handling the hazardous material. its nearly impossible to get pure gasoline with no contamination, so all the companies can do is limit it as much as they can. plus, the whole system tree is designed to handle some contamination. filtration, water/oil separators, density separators etc. our cars further extend this process with the pump screen.
something you might not see in an old private gas station.

[hex]

Autoguide actually did an article on this a couple of months ago, here's the link: http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2012/12/which-gas-stations-sell-the-best-quality-gasoline.html

[Mangtoos]

Really? Total opposite of what I'm debating. I always use Shell, but lately I feel like I should give Petro a shot, simply due to the savings. The 2 cents off every litre with petro points definitely seems more rewarding than the crummy airmiles you get with Shell.

I gave up on air miles because they keep changing the rules to make it so you lose your air miles.

[peterm15]

Lately me and my father have been using Canadian tire with the 7X CT money slips.
He did it years ago and bought a pool with CT money. (12' round x 4' deep)

So far I think we have a couple hundred.

[thirdgen3]

Really? Total opposite of what I'm debating. I always use Shell, but lately I feel like I should give Petro a shot, simply due to the savings. The 2 cents off every litre with petro points definitely seems more rewarding than the crummy airmiles you get with Shell.

2 cents off with Petro points? Are you talking about a credit card through Petro to get this? Or the card you pay 15,000 Petro points for and it gets you 2 or 5 cents off per litre?

If you just collect Petro points when you get gas, you don't get 2 cents off.

[Reddie1337]

2 cents off with Petro points? Are you talking about a credit card through Petro to get this? Or the card you pay 15,000 Petro points for and it gets you 2 or 5 cents off per litre?

If you just collect Petro points when you get gas, you don't get 2 cents off.

Petro-points master card from CIBC. I use it every time I fill up.

[silverstarmazda]

Petro-points master card from CIBC. I use it every time I fill up.

i need to ask my bank for this lol it could realllly help

[loosecannon]

The petro-points card has really bad returns.


Collect 20 points per dollar on eligible convenience store and car wash purchases every day. Plus, you can collect double, triple, five times or more bonus Petro-Points on select items with our Special Offers in-store.
Collect 10 points PER LITRE on SuperClean™ or SuperClean 94 Fuel, seven points per litre on PlusClean Fuel and five points per litre on RegularClean Fuel and diesel.
Collect 10 Petro-Points for every dollar spent on every card purchase made outside Petro-Canada using your CIBC Petro-Points™ MasterCard® — everywhere you shop! Plus earn 50% more points on eligible purchases at Petro-Canada, grocery stores and drug stores.
Collect 20% more Petro-Points when you register your Ontario CAA membership number to your Petro-Points account.

Yes, you'll save those 2 cents per litre (you save a dollar if you fill up 50 litres - that's crappy) Then, in order to save 7 cents, you need to get the 5 cents off card, which costs a minimum of 14,000 points to get 200 litre card. Most of us fill up regular - so 5 points PER litre is horrible. You fill up 50 litres - you get 250 points. How many times will you have to fill up until you can finally get that 5 cents off card?

Let's say you only earn points through filling up gas. 50 litres each time. Let's just say @ $60 each time.

You have to fill up 56 times to get 14,000 points to get that 5 cents off card.

You've just spent $3360 to get a card that will save you an additional 5 cents for 200 litres (4 fill ups).

Like I said, horrible returns with that card.

[captobvious75]

Shell for me. Ethanol free ftw but gonna go with ultra94 this summer or whatever

[Reddie1337]

The petro-points card has really bad returns.



Yes, you'll save those 2 cents per litre (you save a dollar if you fill up 50 litres - that's crappy) Then, in order to save 7 cents, you need to get the 5 cents off card, which costs a minimum of 14,000 points to get 200 litre card. Most of us fill up regular - so 5 points PER litre is horrible. You fill up 50 litres - you get 250 points. How many times will you have to fill up until you can finally get that 5 cents off card?

Let's say you only earn points through filling up gas. 50 litres each time. Let's just say @ $60 each time.

You have to fill up 56 times to get 14,000 points to get that 5 cents off card.

You've just spent $3360 to get a card that will save you an additional 5 cents for 200 litres (4 fill ups).

Like I said, horrible returns with that card.

Then how come in the past year I have 178000 points? You get points just by spending money on the card. I never have to pay for washer fluid either.

And the 5 cent saving card isn't worth it. 14000 points is equal to 14 dollars. But you only save $10 on the 5 cent card. Not worth it. I use it for washer fluid, and other random stuff at the store. Why not? I could use a different card and have to pay for those things.

[Hads_Carbon3]

I flip flop between shell and petro, usually depends on which ones more convenient to get to. either way i earning petro points or air miles! Oh fyi i tried fortino's gas one time, wouldn't recommend it.

[r4mi5awi]

I only break away from Petro/Shell/Esso when I'm near a Loblaws Superstore gas station, the prices are unbelievable lol

[Pokaroo Kris]

I only break away from Petro/Shell/Esso when I'm near a Loblaws Superstore gas station, the prices are unbelievable lol

Don't you save more and/or get more PC points if you use a PC Mastercard?

[r4mi5awi]

I'm pretty sure you do. I tend to stay away from retail specific credit cards.

[Pokaroo Kris]

I got one. Maybe it's time I switch it up for the few cents per litre of savings. But I'm still a sucker for Shell.

[Mitchell3]

My work has an Esso fleet card so I pretty much always fill up at esso

[trulankan]

I used to fill up always and shell cause of air miles but I find it useless trying to save up for somr crap...the new air miles cash thing isnt bad but they wont let u transfer ur current balance to cash which is retarded. Ive applied for the petro points and esso extra cards which have some bonus offer right now if u act fast. I will be picking up a car wash care as well for 15k bonus :)

[WHO]

I just go where it's the cheapest. Thereare only 2 refineries, Suncor and Ultramar. So other than the add-ons (which is like adding a tea spoon in a barrel) there's virtually no difference in quality between brands.

So I usually end up going for the Superbucks (here it's branded Maxi instead of Loblaws) or Crappy Tire's gas bar when they have 10x or 12x bonus coupons.

Ironically, if Maxi and CT are out of reach, I'll usually go for Ultramar, which is the only brand that doesn't have a loyalty program. But between May and September, they mail out 1$ coupons off 25L... usually they let it slide at around 20L... comes out to 5¢ off per L...

[standsideways]

I just go where it's the cheapest. Thereare only 2 refineries, Suncor and Ultramar. So other than the add-ons (which is like adding a tea spoon in a barrel) there's virtually no difference in quality between brands.


http://membernet.capp.ca/SHB/Sheet.asp?SectionID=7&SheetID=263

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_refineries#section_5

[WHO]

http://membernet.capp.ca/SHB/Sheet.asp?SectionID=7&SheetID=263

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_refineries#section_5

Thanks for finding links that confirmed what I said :)

[hisakix]

I have noticed the French produced Evian Natural Spring Water gives me better hydration most of the time. So Evian for me.

[shift8]

I pretty much always end up at a Petro because they have Ultra 94 if I want, and the one I drive by on the way to the highway has a car wash and Tim Hortons. There is another in the opposite direction too, so pretty much wherever I'm heading out to, I'm driving by one.

[Fack_Dude]

94 octane with 50% methanol for power. :)

[Agila]

87 at Shell :) Shell all the way :)

[silverstarmazda]

currently trying 89 at esso. had some pinging so hopefully i can narrow down how and whats causing it. tried advance timing mod again but still pinging with 89 so i retarded back to stock.

[shub]

87 Shell from a brand new pump down the street from my place! If you have Air Miles, Shell is 3 cents off!

[Stathakos]

Eighty Seven from Shell, anything else seems to just get sucked up quickly. Especially Esso.

[asyed]

mostly 87 @ Petro Canada as thats the most convenient for me and petro points.


But if there is a canadian tire gas station ( which I barely come across when i need them) I go there because I have a gas advantage card that gives me 5 cents per litre off. So far ive only filled up twice. One time I found one conveniently placed near the 401 after exiting BubbaQ with only a bit of fuel left ( and I was not sure if I would make it back to bradford) :P

[aris]

mostly 85 at Petro Canada as thats the most convenient for me and petro points.


But if there is a canadian tire gas station ( which I barely come across when i need them) I go there because I have a gas advantage card that gives me 5 cents per litre off. So far ive only filled up twice. One time I found one conveniently placed near the 401 after exiting BubbaQ with only a bit of fuel left ( and I was not sure if I would make it back to bradford) :P

Do you mean 87 lol

[asyed]

Do you mean 87 lol

Yep..... I guess I was a bit too tired when I wrote that post X|

[aris]

Yep..... I guess I was a bit too tired when I wrote that post X|

Lol

[Chrisinski]

91 from shell on dedicated pumps ONLY. Gas milage is superior and I can hear the car and feel the car run better opposed to lower octanes. But if I am unable to find a dedicated pump il go for the mid grade. No point in paying 4Ls of someone elses most like low test fuel. I think the way the pumps work is almost criminal. Its pretty much stealing if you ask me.

[sarujo]

Nonsense. The 2.0L and 2.5L (non Speed) motors are designed for 87. Anything more is just pissing $$ away...

[Stathakos]

I use 43.5 % Goldschlager, that way I can make it to the party on time and bang Helen!

[Stathakos]

(Someone please get the reference) :chuckle

[greyseason]

i dont :( but its an awesome line hahah

[ken6214]

87 from Petro Canada for petro points (now with monthly top up deal) and 87 from Shell for Airmiles :)

[6strings]

87 Shell from a brand new pump down the street from my place! If you have Air Miles, Shell is 3 cents off!

woah lucky!! brand new pumps have brand new gas!!!

[CloudPump]

Not all petro-canada's are the same. Petro-Canada stations that DO NOT have ultra 94 have 91 grade gasoline with no ethanol. Petro-Canada stations that DO have ultra 94 have 91 grade gas WITH ethanol. Ethanol is inferior to gasoline in terms of energy content by volume. A tank of pure 91 with no ethanol will get better mileage than a tank of e-blended 91 (if both were driven exactly the same).

That aside; I fill up my speed3 at Shell with 91 because Shell 91 is ethanol free, saving me from having to find the right Petro-Canada. Conversely I fill up my RX7 with Ultra94 (which has ethanol in it) purely because the car is so highly modified that it needs 94 octane.

Using 91 octane in an engine that only requires 87 only provides psycological benefits.

-Geoff

[2011mazdaspeed3]

Always used 91 octane at Esso for 7+ years, but never really thought to compared mileage with the other stations when I do occasionally fill up at Shell or Petro. I like the Esso points card for lotto and car wash :)

[frankie7]

Esso 87 octane with the Esso Points card! used it all year and got 70$ free to pump. If you use 91 octane (for you mazdaspeeders), you get triple the points, thus 210$ gas at the end of the year. That said, i only drove 14-16k kms that year

[dambay]

Esso 87 octane with the Esso Points card! used it all year and got 70$ free to pump. If you use 91 octane (for you mazdaspeeders), you get triple the points, thus 210$ gas at the end of the year. That said, i only drove 14-16k kms that year

I feel its kind of a waste to use esso points for gas. If you compare the dollar value you get in gas, as opposed to using points for touchless washes (in the winter), its way more efficient to do the latter. That's how I look at it anyway

[escaboi]

Not all petro-canada's are the same. Petro-Canada stations that DO NOT have ultra 94 have 91 grade gasoline with no ethanol. Petro-Canada stations that DO have ultra 94 have 91 grade gas WITH ethanol.
-Geoff
Hence the reason why I fill with Shell. Just cancelled my Air Miles credit card so thanks for the info.

[frankie7]

I feel its kind of a waste to use esso points for gas. If you compare the dollar value you get in gas, as opposed to using points for touchless washes (in the winter), its way more efficient to do the latter. That's how I look at it anyway

That's a good thing to use it for as well. I prefer not to, though, because I find the Essonwash is complete horseshit, at least in my area. But in winter, who's gonna complain!

[MyFirstMazda3]

Shell V-Power ... I do notice a BIG difference between V-Power and Basic or even Midgrade at Shell or Petro...

I've used Ultra 94 before, and thats HUGE difference in performance, but not worth it from V-Power to Ultra 94. I'd rather have no ethanol :)

[greyseason]

Shell V-Power ... I do notice a BIG difference between V-Power and Basic or even Midgrade at Shell or Petro...

I've used Ultra 94 before, and thats HUGE difference in performance, but not worth it from V-Power to Ultra 94. I'd rather have no ethanol :)

huh?

[jaynsue13]

Regardless if you use 94 or 87.It has been proven that there is no difference just a waste of money

[Nooby31]

I just filled up with 89 for the first time and so far not noticing much of a difference other then the car being a little less sluggish.

[loki]

If you have a n/a mazda3 and really want to see a difference, try a tank of diesel

[greyseason]

If you have a n/a mazda3 and really want to see a difference, try a tank of diesel

E85 bro

[geobur]

Regardless if you use 94 or 87.It has been proven that there is no difference just a waste of money

true story...stop drinking the Kool-Aid I thought it made a huge difference too I convinced myself it did...but I was dumb however Loki is right...Diesel is awesome! Started using it in my NA 3 totally changed my life! totally feels like a 6 cylinder

[CloudPump]

Shell V-Power ... I do notice a BIG difference between V-Power and Basic or even Midgrade at Shell or Petro...

I've used Ultra 94 before, and thats HUGE difference in performance, but not worth it from V-Power to Ultra 94. I'd rather have no ethanol :)

I suspect you don't know what octane is, or what it does.

-Geoff

[loki]

true story...stop drinking the Kool-Aid I thought it made a huge difference too I convinced myself it did...but I was dumb however Loki is right...Diesel is awesome! Started using it in my NA 3 totally changed my life! totally feels like a 6 cylinder

will likely make your 3 sound like a 2 stroke lawn mower, which in itself is awesome

[dambay]

I typically used petroleum based gasoline. But that's just me.

[geobur]

I typically used petroleum based gasoline. But that's just me.

psh, even if it isn't petroleum based you can just throw a quart of Vasoline in with your non petroleum based fuel and you are good to go!

[greatape74]

I run my 2.0l in a 87 octane it give me more miles than higher octane. The performance (power and torque) are the same with the higher octane after I made the adjustment on the Advance Timing. BTW I use Petro Canada all the time.

[jay93]

87 all day err day! i lied one time a week, or when i know the gas will go up a few cents the next day. 91, used it a few time's. all i notice is more money taken out of my card lol. nothing special for the car. realistically i don't need it. i don't have the motor flashed non of that b.s. to justify using 91 because it does not need it!

[Jackal]

Had to fill up in Oshawa and 87 was out so for the same price I got 91. Wow what a difference! I was zooming by cars like no tomorrow. I was pressing on it like the same as before. Throttle response through the roof. I think handling even improved. Haha!:P

[greyseason]

Had to fill up in Oshawa and 87 was out so for the same price I got 91. Wow what a difference! I was zooming by cars like no tomorrow. I was pressing on it like the same as before. Throttle response through the roof. I think handling even improved. Haha!:P

if you would have put 93 in, the paint would self polish!

[Punkrockjohn]

shell.

[Hads_Carbon3]

I find Petro, shell and esso to be good gas. i've tried canadian tire and husky to be honest my car felt a little sluggish after. I got scared the one time i tried Pioneer gas my engine developed a light ticking noise. That problem resolved itself after i started using shell again.

[Canadianbacon]

Always use esso for the points i have already 3,000 points that i need to use lol never got a chance it.

[Nikhil Pali]

I got scared the one time i tried Pioneer gas my engine developed a light ticking noise. That problem resolved itself after i started using shell again.

I had the exact same thing. I once filled pioneer gas and engine light came on along with ticking noise. Filled petro and engine light went away. Since then it has only been petro or shell. I'm switching to shell now as I find it better, gives better mileage and car run smoothly.

[Kat]

Filled up V-Gold at Shell recently with Bronze price because gas stations ran out of Bronze and Silver and to be honest, I didn't notice much difference in the engine although I have noticed that it added 100km more to my tank! :) Too bad that Gold ain't cheap! haha

[standsideways]

CNG is by far the best fuel for your vehicle. You also can use LNG( liquified natural gas) too. These are worldwide used gases for vehicles. However at some places ethanol and propane are used.

:O

[greyseason]

CNG is by far the best fuel for your vehicle. You also can use LNG( liquified natural gas) too. These are worldwide used gases for vehicles. However at some places ethanol and propane are used.

Lemme see that heads you got there! :p


Has anybody converted a 3 to CNG? My grandpa's work can is but the cylinder heads are super expensive

[standsideways]

There is no different "cylinder head"

Its an injection system made up of some stainless lines, hard lines, a tank, a compressor, and some other crap.

Not worth it unless you are a cabbie or plow who ALWAYS stays in the same area, no long drives, and if the conversion cost and the fuel cost outweighs your current gasoline cost.

[Everlaid]

I use Cosco Gas. Cheap ... no problems yet. It's always about 4 cents cheaper than anywhere else

[MickiWasHere]

Only use shell for the air miles points.. lol

[asyed]

Does anyone here fill up at the canadian tire gas stations? Im thinking of switching to them because i get 5 cents off per litre using their card. Also the petro canada in bradford has been pissing me off lately since I could never get the pay at the pump thing to work with a chip card ( always wont go past " please remove card quickly" and then when i take it out it says " chip card inserted.... please leave card inside" :bang )

[silverstarmazda]

using shell now. seems like the car idles a bit smoother and quieter :/ maybe its just my ass getting fat

[MS3Edge]

Does anyone here fill up at the canadian tire gas stations? Im thinking of switching to them because i get 5 cents off per litre using their card. Also the petro canada in bradford has been pissing me off lately since I could never get the pay at the pump thing to work with a chip card ( always wont go past " please remove card quickly" and then when i take it out it says " chip card inserted.... please leave card inside" :bang )

I use to use Sunoco until they changed to Petro Canada but nothing but problems when you go in to buy something and their advertised price on the drinks is not what comes up at the cash. Happened to me 5 times at 5 different Petros so I refuse to go there now. All I use is Shell now for Airmiles, great service and their 91 gas is decent with no issues in the past few years. I drive from Whitby to Brampton daily so I would know if the gas was crap.

[dexter]

I use to use Sunoco until they changed to Petro Canada but nothing but problems when you go in to buy something and their advertised price on the drinks is not what comes up at the cash. Happened to me 5 times at 5 different Petros so I refuse to go there now. All I use is Shell now for Airmiles, great service and their 91 gas is decent with no issues in the past few years. I drive from Whitby to Brampton daily so I would know if the gas was crap.

…until you get and engine tune for 93+ and your only choice is Petro's Ultra 94. :rolleyes

[Crypto7]

Can't really tell the difference with 91+ fuel. Where ever has the better price and where I can collect points!!

Mostly go to Petro Canada by my place for 94+ when prices are decent and can collect points. Also, having a touchless car wash helps on those lazy days.

Second would be Esso for Aeroplan miles and when I get a cash back gift card from VISA so I can fill up....

Third place is Shell cause it's the last main stay before the cheapies where I can collect Air Miles. I also have CAA so ROADTRIPS up in northern Ontario I would tend to HUSKY or Petro Canada gas stations.

Never really has bad gas or issues with Canadian pumps in Ontario and I've been driving turbocharged vehicles for over 20 years which require higher octane fuel.

I have noticed though when travelling in OHIO for a week or so, with my MSP that the turbo was hesitating with the US fuel. Back in Canada it seemed to run smooth again.

With a NA car, as my winter beater or spare, I stick with 89 fuel as there is no need to have higher octane fuel with additives. All fuel has the required additives (as a requirement in Canada) needed and do not help in your quest for better fuel efficiency or helping the environment. Search CBC Marketplace - Facts on fuel for more info. They did a story on the types of fuel, higher octane vs. lower and did tests. Interesting finds...

Happy Motoring :o) Zoom Zoom

[MS3Edge]

…until you get and engine tune for 93+ and your only choice is Petro's Ultra 94. :rolleyes
i know and im not happy about that. i wish Sunoco never sold out :(

[Tozer]

Shell v-power with no ethanol.. Shit makes my fuel pump chirp

[WHO]

Does anyone here fill up at the canadian tire gas stations? Im thinking of switching to them because i get 5 cents off per litre using their card. Also the petro canada in bradford has been pissing me off lately since I could never get the pay at the pump thing to work with a chip card ( always wont go past " please remove card quickly" and then when i take it out it says " chip card inserted.... please leave card inside" :bang )

Used to fill up at Crappy Tire Gas for a few years until they changed the minimum quantity for bonus buck from 10 to 15L without warning. I was pissed when I got the the counter after filling up 10L only to find out they wouldn't give me any bonus bucks and wouldn't allow me to go pump the extra 5L to have the required 15L. Never been back since.

I mostly use Ultramar now, although that's kind of dumb on my part because that's the only chain that doesn't have any loyalty offer (except for the summer rebate coupons). But it's the closest and most convenient station I have.

[sunnydin]

I use Shell. Regular Octane.
Only because it is close to our home, always has special price 2 cents lower than all other stations, Plus I get Air Miles…
In dead of winter I use a tank of Gold once in a while. Not sure if it means much technically according to my Mechanic, but it makes me "feel" better.
But truly, I did not notice any difference in acceleration or highway performance.
My 2 cents...

[jeffjones]

Used to fill up at Crappy Tire Gas for a few years until they changed the minimum quantity for bonus buck from 10 to 15L without warning. I was pissed when I got the the counter after filling up 10L only to find out they wouldn't give me any bonus bucks and wouldn't allow me to go pump the extra 5L to have the required 15L. Never been back since.



LOL.

Those bastards didn't give you the extra 5 cents CT money lol
We must boycott them for life.

[bestknightmare]

I just filled up my car at Canadian Tire, and the range dropped from the usual 999km to 895km..not sure why, can anyone explain?

[Jenuine]

I just filled up my car at Canadian Tire, and the range dropped from the usual 999km to 895km..not sure why, can anyone explain?

I don't think you should calculate your fuel economy by what it says on your range. Mine is different every time I fill up and it fluctuates as I drive.

[bestknightmare]

I don't think you should calculate your fuel economy by what it says on your range. Mine is different every time I fill up and it fluctuates as I drive.

Oh, cause I filled with Petro and Shell before, and it says 999, and this is my first time with Canadian Tire, and it says 895

[Jenuine]

Oh, cause I filled with Petro and Shell before, and it says 999, and this is my first time with Canadian Tire, and it says 895

You should try each station, record how many km you've driven and ignore your range, that should give you a better idea of your gas mileage with respect to different gas stations. You're probably not getting 999km a tank even when it says 999.

[silverstarmazda]

ok some of you may call me crazy.... but i go to ajax (from scarborough) late at night if the gas price in ajax is low. because for the last few times i went to ajax with $20 in my pocket. i got nearly 1.5L more fuel. ajax price dipped down to about 114.xx last time i was there vs the 124.xx we got now.

i go late at night when theres no traffic both ways. put on some good music and set the cruise control!! i think its worth it, what do you guys think?

[bestknightmare]

You should try each station, record how many km you've driven and ignore your range, that should give you a better idea of your gas mileage with respect to different gas stations. You're probably not getting 999km a tank even when it says 999.

ya, that's true, traffic and all the stopping and going kills it. Thanks =)

[Dubwize]

pretty much always fill up at Petro with the 94 stuff, . It's right around the corner from my house, and right off the 401. The only issues is the price is almost always higher. only by like a cent but still, it's more.

[standsideways]

pretty much always fill up at Petro with the 94 stuff, . It's right around the corner from my house, and right off the 401. The only issues is the price is almost always higher. only by like a cent but still, it's more.

Save yourself the cash then, your car is not tuned for 94.

[loki]

pretty much always fill up at Petro with the 94 stuff, . It's right around the corner from my house, and right off the 401. The only issues is the price is almost always higher. only by like a cent but still, it's more.

Ultra 94 is about 24 cents a litre more than 87 octane which is what your car is tuned for

[rzapata]

ok some of you may call me crazy.... but i go to ajax (from scarborough) late at night if the gas price in ajax is low. because for the last few times i went to ajax with $20 in my pocket. i got nearly 1.5L more fuel. ajax price dipped down to about 114.xx last time i was there vs the 124.xx we got now.

i go late at night when theres no traffic both ways. put on some good music and set the cruise control!! i think its worth it, what do you guys think?
silverstarmazda How many kilometers do you travel in total just to get that cheaper gas?

Google maps say about 45.2km in total from Scarborough to Ajax. Just to break even, you have to be driving at a rate of 3.32L/100km all the way which is practically impossible.

So yeah, totally not worth it.

[silverstarmazda]

silverstarmazda How many kilometers do you travel in total just to get that cheaper gas?

Google maps say about 45.2km in total from Scarborough to Ajax. Just to break even, you have to be driving at a rate of 3.32L/100km all the way which is practically impossible.

So yeah, totally not worth it.

woaahh 45.2!? rly doesnt feel like it though.. but yea, google does seem to confirm that (and more) :/ i guess its only worth it if im actually in town doing something. i just about break even (or even a bit more) when i get back home though...so who knows. guess going to the next town for gas isnt happening anymore for me then aha

[Mty Mous]

silverstarmazda How many kilometers do you travel in total just to get that cheaper gas?

Google maps say about 45.2km in total from Scarborough to Ajax. Just to break even, you have to be driving at a rate of 3.32L/100km all the way which is practically impossible.

So yeah, totally not worth it.

All depends from where in Scarborough you're driving from and to where in Ajax you're going... from where I live (Port Union & 401) to the station I go to in Ajax (Salem & 401) its 17.5kms on the trip comp (1 way).

And I filled up on 91Oct for $1.289\L tonight.

[ykim747]

regular

[silverstarmazda]

so i went from esso -> petro -> shell -> esso (due to free card). all i can say is wow..... esso really sucks....fuel economy took a very noticeable hit for some reason. just the regular old driving i always do. has anybody experience something like this? :/

i get about the same fuel economy between shell and petro. but esso really is something else...

[Jenuine]

so i went from esso -> petro -> shell -> esso (due to free card). all i can say is wow..... esso really sucks....fuel economy took a very noticeable hit for some reason. just the regular old driving i always do. has anybody experience something like this? :/

i get about the same fuel economy between shell and petro. but esso really is something else...

Same thing happened to me when I had to fill up at Esso one time (I usually use Shell), my fuel economy dropped significantly.

[aris]

so i went from esso -> petro -> shell -> esso (due to free card). all i can say is wow..... esso really sucks....fuel economy took a very noticeable hit for some reason. just the regular old driving i always do. has anybody experience something like this? :/

i get about the same fuel economy between shell and petro. but esso really is something else...

Everyone gas mileage drops this time of year

[Canadianbacon]

Same thing happened to me when I had to fill up at Esso one time (I usually use Shell), my fuel economy dropped significantly.

Always fill up at esso because of esso extra points for carwashes never really filled up anywhere else lol.

[silverstarmazda]

Same thing happened to me when I had to fill up at Esso one time (I usually use Shell), my fuel economy dropped significantly.

glad im not crazy LOL


Everyone gas mileage drops this time of year

ive been having that too and took that into consideration. but ive been filling up only at shell for a while now and just filled up with esso last night. huge drop in fuel economy. very noticable and obvious in summer and winter everytime i got back to esso.

i havnt changed to winter wheels or did anything yet so there should be no difference. but the change is huge. reason why im using esso now is because i was given some gift cards. but with consumption the way it is currently im not surprised thats its not going to last.

just to give you a rough idea. 1/4 tank of shell would give 100km. 1/4 tank of esso would give 75km (not actual numbers)


Always fill up at esso because of esso extra points for carwashes never really filled up anywhere else lol.

I did this too when i first got my car. a new esso opened up and thought there tanks and etc will be cleaner than older stations. it was only when I talked with other members and searched on other forums that esso was actually one of the lower "performing" gasolines and members were getting best milage with shell/petro.

[Kiewan]

Winter formulations and winter tires aside , (at the correct air pressure)
is there proof or a rating of shell octane 89 having "better performance" than esso 89? I usually use esso, but will use whatever is best.

[silverstarmazda]

The octane rating just means its resistance to pre ignighting from compression. Once its ignighted by th spark plug its all the same.

Only difference is the ethanol content and additives they use

[rzapata]

All depends from where in Scarborough you're driving from and to where in Ajax you're going... from where I live (Port Union & 401) to the station I go to in Ajax (Salem & 401) its 17.5kms on the trip comp (1 way).

And I filled up on 91Oct for $1.289\L tonight.

Mty Mous If you can do 4.29L/100km and assuming you get an extra 1.5L just like SSM then totally worth it. :)

[Kiewan]

The octane rating just means its resistance to pre ignighting from compression. Once its ignighted by th spark plug its all the same.

Only difference is the ethanol content and additives they use

So does shell use less additives then essoooo? Also how comparable is the price of shell vpower? Iv never bought it.

[jeffjones]

Winter formulations and winter tires aside , (at the correct air pressure)
is there proof or a rating of shell octane 89 having "better performance" than esso 89? I usually use esso, but will use whatever is best.

You could probably find proof, Just look for an internal study done by one of the companies and theirs will always be better. (Ever notice on every truck commercial, that truck is always rated the number 1 truck in its class......)

[Mty Mous]

Mty Mous If you can do 4.29L/100km and assuming you get an extra 1.5L just like SSM then totally worth it. :)

Lol @ 4.29L\100km, but just an FYI, when I'm filling up, after the first click, I'm easily able to put another 10L of gas into the tank, I don't know how much more I can put in, but I usually keep it at 1st click + 10L when filling up due to the extensive highway driving I do on a daily basis. Besides, I usually have to go visit family out that way anyways, so why not fillup too.

[rzapata]

Lol @ 4.29L\100km, but just an FYI, when I'm filling up, after the first click, I'm easily able to put another 10L of gas into the tank, I don't know how much more I can put in, but I usually keep it at 1st click + 10L when filling up due to the extensive highway driving I do on a daily basis. Besides, I usually have to go visit family out that way anyways, so why not fillup too.

Damn, 10L additional eh? I can put in a litre and a bit but not more than that. :chuckle

[Mty Mous]

Damn, 10L additional eh? I can put in a litre and a bit but not more than that. :chuckle

I don't know if its the most I've put into the tank at any given time, but I filled up right when the last bar went out on my digital gas gauge and it took 66L for the first click + 10L process I follow.
I have no clue how much reserve this car's tank has once the bars disappear, but this is what the car takes once the last bar is gone.

[silverstarmazda]

I don't know if its the most I've put into the tank at any given time, but I filled up right when the last bar went out on my digital gas gauge and it took 66L for the first click + 10L process I follow.
I have no clue how much reserve this car's tank has once the bars disappear, but this is what the car takes once the last bar is gone.

its usually not advisable to do that since its probably also filling up the filler neck. gasoline needs room to expand and contract with temperature and evaporation. a large amount of pressure can build up inside the fuel system over time since its a sealed environment. the fuel pump usually takes care of this pressure though. but if your storing the car, it can lead to problems.

this "reserve" usually comes from the way the gas tank is shaped. it feels as though it may last longer on the first half but the second half empties fast.

if its working for you then you must be able to get some good range on your method! however more gasoline does mean more weight to lug around :/

[Mty Mous]

Let's just say I'd be lucky if a tank of gas lasts me a full week! lol
That being said, considering the time I hit the Hwy to get to work and back, I am able to somewhat maintain a steady pace, so if I just set cruise and chill back, I can squeeze 725kms from my tank (I've done this more than once, so its not by luck, just patience! lol) But majority of the time I get about 625~650kms\tank due to a few pulls here and there to remind myself why I drive a Speed3 (nothing crazy tho).

[-|CHECKMATE2012|-]

Yeah, I noticed using ESSO my mileage dropped too! I asked the ESSO representative and he said its because ESSO fuel burns cleaner....

[silverstarmazda]

someone made a bon fire with a bit of gasoline and compared shell and esso. esso wooshed into a big flame and burned out very fast. shell caught fire and burned at a slower pace. not sure if that tells you anything though lol

[jeffjones]

I filled up right when the last bar went out on my digital gas gauge and it took 66L for the first click + 10L process I follow.


What do you drive?
10L after the first click usually means there is about 9L by your feet.......
My 06 3 GT can put almost a litre in before it starts overflowing

[Mty Mous]

What do you drive?
10L after the first click usually means there is about 9L by your feet.......
My 06 3 GT can put almost a litre in before it starts overflowing

2010 Speed3, and believe me when I say first click + 10L, I believe there's still room in there for a tiny bit more cause its not filled up to the neck, but I haven't felt like testing the limits (atleast not yet).
Maybe sometime this winter I might decide to slowly keep filling till its completely top'd up, but only if I know I'll have a long drive right after fillup. Besides, I'm anal about even letting a drop of fuel touching the painted surfaces, so I don't know if I'll ever get around to testing the limits.

[jeffjones]

2010 Speed3, and believe me when I say first click + 10L, I believe there's still room in there for a tiny bit more cause its not filled up to the neck, but I haven't felt like testing the limits (atleast not yet).
Maybe sometime this winter I might decide to slowly keep filling till its completely top'd up, but only if I know I'll have a long drive right after fillup. Besides, I'm anal about even letting a drop of fuel touching the painted surfaces, so I don't know if I'll ever get around to testing the limits.

Its weird how you can fit 16L above the tank capacity......
Seeing how the tank can only hold 15.9 gallons

[Mty Mous]

Its weird how you can fit 16L above the tank capacity......
Seeing how the tank can only hold 15.9 gallons

Lol ya, I was like WTF the first time I did it ... and especially cause I don't run the tank bone-dry either! I usually start filling up while on the last bar or right when that last bar goes off.
I wonder if I even have much of a reserve after E unlike my previous Mazda3 ('07 GT Sedan with its 10L in reserve after E) cause of how much I'm able to fill up.

[WHO]

Never heard of 10+ L after the click either, except in a few stations where the pumps are out of whack.
Have you tried that at many different stations?

Perhaps you've been getting ripped off by that station, with poorly calibrated pumps.

There's no reason you should fit more than about 55L in there, especially since you still have about 5L reserve when you're down to the "no bar".

[Mty Mous]

Yup, I've done the same at 3 other gas stations (Shell, Petro Can and Esso) ... but the one I frequent is Costco.
Every time I fill up on my MS3, I am able to do that 10L after the first click. Mind you, its not like it easily takes the 10L after the first click, but it Does take it, and doesn't spill a drop out.

Next time I fill up (depending on how cold it is and how long I can bare standing out there), I'll try to see how much further than the 10L I can go without spilling.

I can tell you for a fact that my car takes more than 55L cause I can recall putting in 66L at one point. That being said, the first click does happen around the 55L mark.

[rzapata]

Mty Mous I guess you have jumbo tank installed there somehow. :chuckle

[jeffjones]

Mtg Mous, are you sure you aren't looking at the dollar sign when it hits 66 lol.
Pics or it didn't happen :D

[Mty Mous]

lol... gimme a week and i'll show you a tank filled with more than 55L on my MS3. :)

[rukus]

isnt it a 15.9 gallon tank, or 60L

[Mty Mous]

Yup, 1US Gallon = 3.79L so 15.9G is 60.2L.

[Kiewan]

So I compared essooo 89 versus shell 89 on my 2.0L. I measured the trip from 3/4 tank to 1/4 tank markers cuz I'm a cheap SOB. So trip A ESSSOOO gas was 289.1km and trip B SSHELL was 310.5km. This was over a week of comparable city driving both trips. Around 20km difference is noticeable :)

[jeffjones]

So I compared essooo 89 versus shell 89 on my 2.0L. I measured the trip from 3/4 tank to 1/4 tank markers cuz I'm a cheap SOB. So trip A ESSSOOO gas was 289.1km and trip B SSHELL was 310.5km. This was over a week of comparable city driving both trips. Around 20km difference is noticeable :)

Not really a good comparison since it wouldn't be difficult to be off 3% from the 1/4 mark and the 3/4 mark which would completely make up for the 7% fuel savings.....

[CloudPump]

So I compared essooo 89 versus shell 89 on my 2.0L. I measured the trip from 3/4 tank to 1/4 tank markers cuz I'm a cheap SOB. So trip A ESSSOOO gas was 289.1km and trip B SSHELL was 310.5km. This was over a week of comparable city driving both trips. Around 20km difference is noticeable :)

One tank of gas is not enough to make a valid comparison. Hundreds of tanks of both would be needed.

-Geoff

[Kiewan]

One tank of gas is not enough to make a valid comparison. Hundreds of tanks of both would be needed.

-Geoff
Too many variables and not enough percent gain. Thought I'd try it because its the same price regardless.

[Mty Mous]

Mtg Mous, are you sure you aren't looking at the dollar sign when it hits 66 lol.
Pics or it didn't happen :D

So I got around to filling up again, there was the last bar still active (was 10kms into that bar by the time I got to the gas station), so from whatever amount of gas that was in the tank, I was able to fill to 49.519L for the first click, and then I put my usual 10L more, so I was now at 59.503, but I decided to go a bit more and see how much more I can squeeze in before spilling, I got to 61.106L and then I chicken'd out, just didn't wanna risk spilling gas on the paint and damaging it.

I took pics of each of the steps, even showing the last bar nicely lit when I pulled up to the gas pump, and then a pic showing every step of the pumping (49, 59, 61L) and a final pic showing my gas gauge showing full but before I reset the trip computer and drove off.
Now I just gotta refresh my memory on how to upload pics on this site to show proof.

Kinda wished I drove until the last bar was gone, but I needed to get back so I can take care of my Son, so family priorities trumped car ones this time!! lol

[WHO]

Drove to empty Today, down to no bar and drove another 35 km after that. So I figured I had maybe 10-15 km left (rule of thumb is usually about 50 km per bar)

First click at 48.3L, then I kept slowly filling to 50.047L and just by the sound I could tell it was really close to overfill. Figure I could have kept playing around until 51L, but at -15 degrees I was in no mood to try it. Figures, if I had 4L remaining in there, I still had about another 45 km in there.

Side story: I did my worst ever MPG, 50.047 L for only 543km driven. Stupid winter :(

[jeffjones]

lol... gimme a week and i'll show you a tank filled with more than 55L on my MS3. :)

You said 76L, not 55L. :D

[Canadianbacon]

my mazda 3 2.5 eats gas... thinks its worse then speed3... :( avg 11.4L/100km

[Mty Mous]

You said 76L, not 55L. :D

Don't remember ever saying 76L, I always said I've done the First Click + 10L when filling the tank, and that the most I ever remember seeing is 66L total, which means the first click would've happed at 56L. Also, this would be me filling the tank after the last bar on the fuel gauge goes off.

Now I'm on a different mission, I've proven to myself that I can pump atleast 11.5L after the first click, but I'm now trying to see what's the most I can get out of a tank of gas in my normal driving routine. I saw 700kms once, but that was in the middle of summer, so I'm trying to see if I can replicate it during this time of the year.
Though the snow covered roads and extra slow moving traffic is giving my efforts a real run for the money.
Currently at 488kms and one bar below half-tank, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed about this tank.

[jeffjones]

Don't remember ever saying 76L, I always said I've done the First Click + 10L when filling the tank, and that the most I ever remember seeing is 66L total, which means the first click would've happed at 56L.


....it took 66L for the first click + 10L process I follow...

.....

[Mty Mous]

exactly... read it again... i didnt say it took 10L on top of the 66L.
When i pump... my mind is not focused on the actual $$$ or total liters... i usually pump till the first click, then focus in on the digit in front of the decimal point and behind the decimal point and keep filling up to replicate it again.
Rarely do i actually take notice of the actual amount pumped into the tank cause it gets depressing... you have to realize that my monthly gas budget is $450... so you can understand why i don't like to pay attention to the numbers too closely while at the pump.

[Kiewan]

exactly... read it again... i didnt say it took 10L on top of the 66L.
When i pump... my mind is not focused on the actual $$$ or total liters... i usually pump till the first click, then focus in on the digit in front of the decimal point and behind the decimal point and keep filling up to replicate it again.
Rarely do i actually take notice of the actual amount pumped into the tank cause it gets depressing... you have to realize that my monthly gas budget is $450... so you can understand why i don't like to pay attention to the numbers too closely while at the pump.

Explanatory Fillup Video plz

[Mty Mous]

Wow ... you guys need a vid of how to fill your gas tanks? Really?
I don't take vids cause if you're using your phone while at the pump they come over to tap you on your shoulder ... so all I took is pics, I have 6 pics in total and they're all over 1MB in size, now I just gotta figure out how to attach em on the site.

[Mty Mous]

1) Before I start filling up, I was about 10km into the last bar on the gas gauge.
http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae147/Mty_Mous/Gas_Fillup_04_Dec_2013/2013-12-04200245.jpg (http://s966.photobucket.com/user/Mty_Mous/media/Gas_Fillup_04_Dec_2013/2013-12-04200245.jpg.html)

2) Ready to start filling up!
http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae147/Mty_Mous/Gas_Fillup_04_Dec_2013/2013-12-04200409.jpg (http://s966.photobucket.com/user/Mty_Mous/media/Gas_Fillup_04_Dec_2013/2013-12-04200409.jpg.html)

3) Hit first Click at this point.
http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae147/Mty_Mous/Gas_Fillup_04_Dec_2013/2013-12-04200528.jpg (http://s966.photobucket.com/user/Mty_Mous/media/Gas_Fillup_04_Dec_2013/2013-12-04200528.jpg.html)

4) Now I'm at 10L after first click.
http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae147/Mty_Mous/Gas_Fillup_04_Dec_2013/2013-12-04200722.jpg (http://s966.photobucket.com/user/Mty_Mous/media/Gas_Fillup_04_Dec_2013/2013-12-04200722.jpg.html)

5) My attempt to go further, but I chickened out at just over 11.5L after first click. Didn't wanna risk spilling gas and ruining the paint.
http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae147/Mty_Mous/Gas_Fillup_04_Dec_2013/2013-12-04200809.jpg (http://s966.photobucket.com/user/Mty_Mous/media/Gas_Fillup_04_Dec_2013/2013-12-04200809.jpg.html)

6) Final pic showing full tank on the gas gauge before resetting my Trip Odometer.
http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae147/Mty_Mous/Gas_Fillup_04_Dec_2013/2013-12-04200852.jpg (http://s966.photobucket.com/user/Mty_Mous/media/Gas_Fillup_04_Dec_2013/2013-12-04200852.jpg.html)

Had to do all this cause it was freakin freezing that night and I don't like holding ppl up if I'm done pumping, so I was trying to snap pic and get the hell out. So pics were a bit blurry.

[r4mi5awi]

That's amazing

[Mty Mous]

Well due to the sheer amount of vacation days I gotta kill before yearend, my driving has gone down a lot, however I'm still trying to see how much I can squeeze out of this very same tank of gas, I'm trying to shoot for the elusive 750km\tank, but I honestly don't think I'll get there with this tank, that being said, I'm currently 1 bar above 1\4 tank and I'm currently at 560kms, so I'm hoping to atleast break 700kms with this tank. However driving this weekend with the snow\slush and cold weather probably ate a lot more gas than it normally does. Keeping my fingers crossed tho!

[loki]

Explanatory Fillup Video plz

Dude.....

[JeaneR]

Either Petro 94 (like 5 stations near by that have it) or shell 91.....2013 MS3

[Kiewan]

Wow ... you guys need a vid of how to fill your gas tanks? Really?
I don't take vids cause if you're using your phone while at the pump they come over to tap you on your shoulder ... so all I took is pics, I have 6 pics in total and they're all over 1MB in size, now I just gotta figure out how to attach em on the site.
You can understand why I doubted you at first but Thats pretty cool. How do you gauge when when to stop filling before overflow happens?

[Arbitrageur]

Got ~380 KM on 48 Litres using Costco gas. 12.63 L / 100 KM.

Not very good at all.

[jeffjones]

Got ~380 KM on 48 Litres using Costco gas. 12.63 L / 100 KM.

Not very good at all.

Thats not too bad........












If you drive a H1 Hummer

[Mty Mous]

You can understand why I doubted you at first but Thats pretty cool. How do you gauge when when to stop filling before overflow happens?

To be honest, I started with just 1L after the first click, then next fillup went to 2L and onwards until I worked my way to 10L after 1st click.
Once I hit 10L, I decided that's enough for me, cause my '07 Mazda3 GT had about 10L in reserve once I was at Empty on the gas gauge, so I looked at it as a 10L reserve up top (if that makes sense) lol.
That being said, now I know I can actually go 11.6L after 1st click, so next time I'm in the States, I know I can pump 3 Gallons US after 1st click.

[brucewayne]

To be honest, I started with just 1L after the first click, then next fillup went to 2L and onwards until I worked my way to 10L after 1st click.
Once I hit 10L, I decided that's enough for me, cause my '07 Mazda3 GT had about 10L in reserve once I was at Empty on the gas gauge, so I looked at it as a 10L reserve up top (if that makes sense) lol.
That being said, now I know I can actually go 11.6L after 1st click, so next time I'm in the States, I know I can pump 3 Gallons US after 1st click.

im very interested in this. i hate filling up. im gonna try to put more in as well... ill start an extra L at a time. i have a 05 2.0. When storing my bike for the winter a few days ago i was surprised at how much more i could put in there... probably 10-20% if not more.

how would this affect my use of fuelly? wouldn't the numbers be off?

[WHO]

how would this affect my use of fuelly? wouldn't the numbers be off?



Might be a bit off the first time you do it (since the previous fill would've been to the click, it's gonna assume you've filled to the same level and think your MPG was worse), but if you subsequently overfill every time to the exact same level, then the numbers will be fine. It won't affect the yearly average.

[Mty Mous]

A quick update, over the weekend (Saturday) I was almost 50kms into my reserve when I pulled in to fill up, and using my 10L after first click method, I was able to pump 68L on my MS3. I know I can safely squeeze 11.5L after the first click, so if I wanted I could've gone for 69.5L, but I prefer to stick with my usual 10L after first click routine cause 10 is a nice round number. lol

That being said, I'm starting to think the 2010 MS3 tank can definitely hold more than 70L of fuel if you're deep enough into your reserve.

[jdmis250]

shell V-power (91) all day long.
I have tried to compare with petro 91, same destination driving back and forth to work and home
Shell 91 does 35kms more than petro's per full tank. I did the same test twice
And V-power makes the car smoother

[Maz3Dan]

I'm about to get a series of boos and put downs now.....

I use the 87 at Ultramar at the end of my street.

I'll be upgrading the gas once i get my throttle body cleaned out.

[Thrizzl3]

what's wrong with that?

[jeffjones]

what's wrong with that?

+1

Your just saving money by giving your car what it needs.

I never put more than what is called for in any vehicle, including my sportsbike which always received 87 except for storing and the 1 time I put 94 in and got about 30 less kms and no power can whatsoever.

[m_bisson]

You don't want to be doing that, especially in the summer. You need to leave room for expansion.

[loki]

I'm about to get a series of boos and put downs now.....

I use the 87 at Ultramar at the end of my street.

I'll be upgrading the gas once i get my throttle body cleaned out.

Nothing wrong with ultramar

[Kiewan]

Nothing wrong with ultramar

If anyone drives north through Beaverton/ brechin; I find the ultramar between brecin and 169 has some of the best prices

[Ghost1]

Mainly costco and petro. Shell if I go to visit in-laws. Full tanks gets me about 750 to 800kms. I drive like an old lady.

[fruitloops]

Holy crap dude. I always fill up at shell, with 87. Get about 500kms per tank.

[fruitloops]

How many posts before I can edit?
My car is a 2.0

[miako]

what's wrong with that?

+1 nothing wrong with that. I use ultra94 all the time, occasionally, I tried a few tanks of Husky94, same stuff, no knock car runs beautiful.

[miako]

How many posts before I can edit?
My car is a 2.0

I think 100 posts.