Emission Testing changing 2013 to OBDII only

[Kris"Speed3"CWP]

Just curious as to what gains to this would be as the computer only test will benefit those with one cat delete option, Egr delete etc. I know you will be able to have one parameter out of the 4 in the self check area of the OBDII missing but any more is a fail and a check engine light is a fail and if computer is reset you wont have any parameters until the OBDII does the self checks and stores the related codes.

If any even years are in need of a test next year get it done before Dec 31st but after your b-day and e-test will be good for 1yr and buy 2 yr sticker.

[The Wolf]

There will also be a "visual examination" where the mechanic will visually check for modifications such as cat and egr delete. They will also scan for piggyback systems or sims that "hide" CEL codes. Any of either will result in an automatic fail.
Also, apparently if you clear a CEL right before the test, that shows up in their testing as "monitor not ready". If this happens, the testers have to drive your car long enough to reset the monitors... which will likely result in the codes being thrown again.

Make no mistake, the only reason they are making a change to the emissions testing is to make more cars fail.


Edit: Link - http://www.aa1car.com/library/ic10224.htm

[CelestSpeed3]

The real reason they are making the change is because shops no longer want to support the old E-test machines. Most SMS lost money on the older machines which is why most dealers don't have one. It required a huge investment which never paid off. This new test will allow even the smallest shops to get a piece of the pie. Not to mention because most dealers didn't have an e-test machine if you had to get emissions components replaced under warranty they could deny I and say that the test wasn't performed at a dealer. Since most emissions equipment is under warranty for 8 years and 160,000km there is no real reason to anyone to fail and have to pay out. Not to mention now the first time your car needs it's test is after 7 years not 5 like before.

These tests are also harder to cheat. You can't get another car to run in place of yours unless you swap ECU's.

[komodo]

So what does mean for the ODB1 cars?

[Lockdown]

This is interesting.
I wonder how this will work with vehicles that use work arounds.

The AccessPORT is nice but it doesn't do what a lot of other programmers do for other vehicles.
For my mustang, there are quite a few options that are available which can perform, mimic or trick the OBD II port and ecu
With cars with 4 cats, 4 O2s, it's generally accepted to turn off the rear.
I was able to make my car pass this summer by simply swapping over some exhaust parts and retuning the car.
I was able to get the required readings without issue but know a lot of people who couldn't even do that and had to swap back everything from heads forward and backwards.
I guess no one knows but I'm curious to know if this will be able to tell what sensors we turn on and off.
Anything I don't use, I turn off and remove.

[Lockdown]

OBD 1, likely won't have a huge issue. It's almost impossible to fail as is.

[Polish_Eagle]

OBD 1, likely won't have a huge issue. It's almost impossible to fail as is.

The testing via OBD is for 1999+ OBDII vehicles only. Vehicles with OBDI or none at all will do a 2 stage idle test with the exhaust sniffer. They do the typical idle RPM and then rev it up to 2000 and do another reading.

[mikey32235]

yep we got our machine ( not installed yet) at my canadian tire.

[dentinger]

Glad I don't have to deal with this. No etests out here! :)

[captobvious75]

This is why my car is staying mod free

[Booter22]

The testing via OBD is for 1999+ OBDII vehicles only. Vehicles with OBDI or none at all will do a 2 stage idle test with the exhaust sniffer. They do the typical idle RPM and then rev it up to 2000 and do another reading.

similar to the diesel testing. will be interesting to see what happens. so the first test now every 7 years and then every other year the follows?

[Fack_Dude]

It's easy to pass the new emissions testing machine coming to Ontario. NY state has been using this system for the past 15 years and my neighbour at my cottage has been fooling the system for years.

[Booter22]

It's easy to pass the new emissions testing machine coming to Ontario. NY state has been using this system for the past 15 years and my neighbour at my cottage has been fooling the system for years.

ok. and how do you do it?

[Fack_Dude]

ok. and how do you do it?

Top secret. I don't give out secrets to people who work for Mazda.

[horto]

Hack the planet!

[Dave_The_BMXER]

This is why my car is staying mod free

That's no fun.

I guess I should fix my 02 sensor before the next test.

[Booter22]

Top secret. I don't give out secrets to people who work for Mazda.

.. ok.. not like we will be doing etesting any time in the near future.

[Thrizzl3]

Top secret. I don't give out secrets to people who work for Mazda.

pwned

[Booter22]

pwned

what ever you say phil...

[komodo]

The testing via OBD is for 1999+ OBDII vehicles only. Vehicles with OBDI or none at all will do a 2 stage idle test with the exhaust sniffer. They do the typical idle RPM and then rev it up to 2000 and do another reading.

So the current system of putting the car on a dyno for an etest is going to be obsolete for pre 99 cars?

[captobvious75]

That's no fun.

I guess I should fix my 02 sensor before the next test.

Blame government :(

[fywdyl]

Why is this in the ms3 section?

[loki]

Why is this in the ms3 section?

don't know

[rajin929]

BS money grab from the gov't.

as much as i'd love a tuner import...just one more reason for me to go muscle car (i'm sure there's probably something in place to get those off the road too lol)

[komodo]

BS money grab from the gov't.

as much as i'd love a tuner import...just one more reason for me to go muscle car (i'm sure there's probably something in place to get those off the road too lol)

That's the smart way to go. Go vintage if you want to mod. I learnt that the hard way.

[mikey32235]

just to update this thread, with the new emission systems you wont need to remove the egr before the test as there is no carbon test ( sensor in the tail pipe test.) Just take your AP, un tune fully, Follow the drive clean drive cycle wich can be found on the ministry of trans. web site, after two days of driving around with an un tuned car, get your emissions test done and it should pass.

[pwdunmore]

We'll see when the first person gets it done... only time will tell what the new test will do. We need someone to experience it and post their results unfortunately. Everything we say is just speculation until that time lol

[mikey32235]

well, this is what one of my friends did with his k-tuned civic, i know its not the same as a mazda but the ecu is still tuned, untuned, drive cycle, it passed. im debating on testing it out soon but i dont wanna drive for 1-2 days un tuned, car will run like ass. we need someone with an ap and light mods to test it out.

[standsideways]

ill let you know in like 6 years LOL

[Thrizzl3]

just to update this thread, with the new emission systems you wont need to remove the egr before the test as there is no carbon test ( sensor in the tail pipe test.) Just take your AP, un tune fully, Follow the drive clean drive cycle wich can be found on the ministry of trans. web site, after two days of driving around with an un tuned car, get your emissions test done and it should pass.

really? so the guys that have so much shit done to their motor have to go back to stock tune? the car will run like ass..lol. especially with upgraded everything. so i'm just supposed to spend 18hrs putting my car back to stock just to spend 5 mins doing an emission test?

[mikey32235]

really? so the guys that have so much shit done to their motor have to go back to stock tune? the car will run like ass..lol. especially with upgraded everything. so i'm just supposed to spend 18hrs putting my car back to stock just to spend 5 mins doing an emission test?

no no, you just tune your car to the stock ecu file, leave your aftermarket stuff on, as long as the ecu has the factory file on it, go through the drive cycle (1-2 days) then go for the e test, it should be fine.

[fywdyl]

no no, you just tune your car to the stock ecu file, leave your aftermarket stuff on, as long as the ecu has the factory file on it, go through the drive cycle (1-2 days) then go for the e test, it should be fine.

Except you would have a CEL.

[loki]

Except you would have a CEL.

and would likely fail the e-test

[loki]

no no, you just tune your car to the stock ecu file, leave your aftermarket stuff on, as long as the ecu has the factory file on it, go through the drive cycle (1-2 days) then go for the e test, it should be fine.

unless by aftermarket stuff you're talking:
- coilovers
- rims
-plastidipped emblems
-stubby antena
- HIDs
-sway bars
camber arms
-LED interior lights
-LED tail lights
-Navigation system
-lug nuts
-carbon fibre hood
-carbon fibre side skirts
-side skirts
-front lip
-rear lip
-rear flares
-vinyl wrapping
-spoiler extension
-tint.....and a whole bunch of other shit people don't care about.

you will fail.


I can't believe I typed that out

[fywdyl]

unless by aftermarket stuff you're talking:
- coilovers
- rims
-plastidipped emblems
-stubby antena
- HIDs
-sway bars
camber arms
-LED interior lights
-LED tail lights
-Navigation system
-lug nuts
-carbon fibre hood
-carbon fibre side skirts
-side skirts
-front lip
-rear lip
-rear flares
-vinyl wrapping
-spoiler extension
-tint.....and a whole bunch of other shit people don't care about.

you will fail.


I can't believe I typed that out

You just described fack_dude's car.

[mikey32235]

unless by aftermarket stuff you're talking:
- coilovers
- rims
-plastidipped emblems
-stubby antena
- HIDs
-sway bars
camber arms
-LED interior lights
-LED tail lights
-Navigation system
-lug nuts
-carbon fibre hood
-carbon fibre side skirts
-side skirts
-front lip
-rear lip
-rear flares
-vinyl wrapping
-spoiler extension
-tint.....and a whole bunch of other shit people don't care about.

you will fail.


I can't believe I typed that out


LOL! well, if the engine light does not come back on... then your good. ill try it with my car within the next month and post results.

[dexter]

If the check engine light doesn't come back on... Maybe I'm missing something here - does it actually make any sense that you could run a big turbo with supporting mods and just flash a stock tune on it for a couple days and expect not to get a CEL at any point?

[loki]

If the check engine light doesn't come back on... Maybe I'm missing something here - does it actually make any sense that you could run a big turbo with supporting mods and just flash a stock tune on it for a couple days and expect not to get a CEL at any point?

you can't run all those mods without the right tune or you'll throw engine codes for sure

[mikey32235]

well have to see what happens.

[pwdunmore]

I'm gonna hire a lawyer and get an accreditied professor to study the emissions of our modified cars to show that we run cleaner than a stock, figure if I get it in writing then sue the drive clean to show that they don't do fack all... If it's in writing it has to be true!(according to the government studies)

The drive clean people have done this to us so why not throw it back in their face? After they implemented the system the air hasn't got any cleaner(more smog days, higher CO2)... they need to find a better way of keeping the air clean and I think it starts with cars being maintained properly to begin with.

It really grinds my gears that a tuned car with mods could potentially be running cleaner/better than a stock car but because it has a modifed tune it can't pass? WTF is with that...It's like saying the manufacture did everything perfect the first time they engineered the car. And even if our cars ran a little dirtier... that might be the same as another vehicle but because it's not that car's standards they screw us???

I am tired of these tree hugging idiots that think they are making a difference but when you measure their impact they haven't done squat... except waste our time and money... I'm all about being sustainable... I am just tired of the hippy BS being used as a business.

[Fack_Dude]

I'm gonna hire a lawyer and get an accreditied professor to study the emissions of our modified cars to show that we run cleaner than a stock, figure if I get it in writing then sue the drive clean to show that they don't do fack all... If it's in writing it has to be true!(according to the government studies)

The drive clean people have done this to us so why not throw it back in their face? After they implemented the system the air hasn't got any cleaner(more smog days, higher CO2)... they need to find a better way of keeping the air clean and I think it starts with cars being maintained properly to begin with.

It really grinds my gears that a tuned car with mods could potentially be running cleaner/better than a stock car but because it has a modifed tune it can't pass? WTF is with that...It's like saying the manufacture did everything perfect the first time they engineered the car. And even if our cars ran a little dirtier... that might be the same as another vehicle but because it's not that car's standards they screw us???

I am tired of these tree hugging idiots that think they are making a difference but when you measure their impact they haven't done squat... except waste our time and money... I'm all about being sustainable... I am just tired of the hippy BS being used as a business.

Yeah ok.

[asyed]

Not a fan of the new etest. My mom's van has a problem in which the check engine light goes on and off periodically and it failed the first 2 times we tried. Then the light turned off and we got it etested at the chrysler dealer...and it passed :D ... but it was still a pain and if it hadnt passed we would have to spend some $$$ to fix the issue ( parts + diag fee) not to mention id have to wake up earlier on my day off to drop the van off to get it fixed....

[pwdunmore]

Yeah ok.

Got a lawyer, know anyone that can get me e-test results? :P

[standsideways]

I'm gonna hire a lawyer and get an accreditied professor to study the emissions of our modified cars to show that we run cleaner than a stock, figure if I get it in writing then sue the drive clean to show that they don't do fack all... If it's in writing it has to be true!(according to the government studies)

The drive clean people have done this to us so why not throw it back in their face? After they implemented the system the air hasn't got any cleaner(more smog days, higher CO2)... they need to find a better way of keeping the air clean and I think it starts with cars being maintained properly to begin with.

It really grinds my gears that a tuned car with mods could potentially be running cleaner/better than a stock car but because it has a modifed tune it can't pass? WTF is with that...It's like saying the manufacture did everything perfect the first time they engineered the car. And even if our cars ran a little dirtier... that might be the same as another vehicle but because it's not that car's standards they screw us???

I am tired of these tree hugging idiots that think they are making a difference but when you measure their impact they haven't done squat... except waste our time and money... I'm all about being sustainable... I am just tired of the hippy BS being used as a business.

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[loki]

Got a lawyer, know anyone that can get me e-test results? :P

Yeh. Take your car to get e-tested and they should give you results

[pwdunmore]

Yeh. Take your car to get e-tested and they should give you results

I need atleast 10 different mazdaspeed etest results to make a study valid... so I need 9 more modded MS3 results.

[stevenma188]

You know they no longer do a sniffer test for OBD2 cars right. The results are all now "READY" vs "NOT READY"

[Slade]

Will any vehicle with a tune fail? Cause I sure as hell am not driving back to Coneticut to get my truck de-tuned so I can get a @#$ etest.

[mikey32235]

OK SO!!!!!! i just ran my car on the emissions machine, and it passed... i am running cobb tune downpipe intake yada yada yada all that jazz. and it passed fine. you are allowed one sensor/monitor to be "not ready" and it will pass.

glad i can answer everyones questions lol :)

[loki]

OK SO!!!!!! i just ran my car on the emissions machine, and it passed... i am running cobb tune downpipe intake yada yada yada all that jazz. and it passed fine. you are allowed one sensor/monitor to be "not ready" and it will pass.

glad i can answer everyones questions lol :)

Did you have any not ready?

[mikey32235]

the only thing not ready was evap system ( thats because i didnt do the drive clean cycle before ) but you are allowed 1 not ready. if you do the drive clean cycle wich is found on the mto site, you will not get the evap not ready sign.

[CelestSpeed3]

I know it will pass with the AP installed.

What I would like to know is if you disable an EGR code in ATR does the EGR readiness monitor stay as "not ready" or will it be "ready", same goes for the cat codes.

Say if I disable ALL of the emission codes in ATR will there be a chance I can pass.

[schmat66]

i need my etest with in the next few weeks, wish me luck as im poppin e lights haha fml

[mikey32235]

u pop a light u will fail lol... and paul if you disable it through atr and do a drive cycle without shooting a code you should pass. even if you get a monitor that says not ready you will pass. you are allowed 1 monitor

[CelestSpeed3]

http://www.scrapdriveclean.ca/take-action/

ITS ABOUT TIME. SIGN-UP AND BE FREE OF THIS.

Mikey, my problem is I'm changing my entire fuel system. If it doesn't work it will be more than 1 monitor.

[peterm15]

http://www.scrapdriveclean.ca/take-action/

ITS ABOUT TIME. SIGN-UP AND BE FREE OF THIS.

I'll sign up but it's one of those things that will never work.

Unfortunately. People have become to "green" not realizing the after affects.

Take for example hybrid/electric cars. The production and disposal of these cars actually negate the carbon footprint savings. They are worse for the environment the driving a regular car.

This is why the government is working towards making it unaffordable for people to drive. Proposing things like road tolls, increased gas taxes and many other fees for driving a car ( a bill being proposed to parliament soon)

On top of that is has already been proven that the emission test do not work. There is no need for them.

[Fack_Dude]

OK SO!!!!!! i just ran my car on the emissions machine, and it passed... i am running cobb tune downpipe intake yada yada yada all that jazz. and it passed fine. you are allowed one sensor/monitor to be "not ready" and it will pass.

glad i can answer everyones questions lol :)

you gots proof bro? lol

[schmat66]

u pop a light u will fail lol... and paul if you disable it through atr and do a drive cycle without shooting a code you should pass. even if you get a monitor that says not ready you will pass. you are allowed 1 monitor

yes i know this, in the works of getting them cleared this week or so

[CelestSpeed3]

I'll sign up but it's one of those things that will never work.

Unfortunately. People have become to "green" not realizing the after affects.

Take for example hybrid/electric cars. The production and disposal of these cars actually negate the carbon footprint savings. They are worse for the environment the driving a regular car.

This is why the government is working towards making it unaffordable for people to drive. Proposing things like road tolls, increased gas taxes and many other fees for driving a car ( a bill being proposed to parliament soon)

On top of that is has already been proven that the emission test do not work. There is no need for them.

I agree people have become green. Yet when people have to pay more for an etest and fail because of hardware issues not because anything is mechanically wrong with their vehicles I hope they will thing otherwise.

[loki]

http://www.scrapdriveclean.ca/take-action/

ITS ABOUT TIME. SIGN-UP AND BE FREE OF THIS.

Mikey, my problem is I'm changing my entire fuel system. If it doesn't work it will be more than 1 monitor.

Create new thread with petition.

Lets see if anything comes of it

[mikey32235]

you gots proof bro? lol

lol yes i do, paper is at work, only monitor that was not ready was evap system.. but overall results was a pass

[mikey32235]

http://www.scrapdriveclean.ca/take-action/

ITS ABOUT TIME. SIGN-UP AND BE FREE OF THIS.

Mikey, my problem is I'm changing my entire fuel system. If it doesn't work it will be more than 1 monitor.

mabye, or mabye not, if your not shooting codes you may be okay.

[DaveOke]

I'm just happy I don't have to do the drive clean BS where I live...

[DCYT]

Went for my etest yesterday, MS6 with cobb map loaded.

Even thou it was smoking a bit and burning oil, it passed.

All the test checks are the status of sensors/system reported by the ECU:

Misfire
Fuel System
Comprehensive
Catalyst
Evaporative System
Oxygen Sensor
Oxygen Sensor Heater
EGR system

As long as all the above is ready AND you don't have a MIL on, you are good.

[loki]

Went for my etest yesterday, MS6 with cobb map loaded.

Even thou it was smoking a bit and burning oil, it passed.

All the test checks are the status of sensors/system reported by the ECU:

Misfire
Fuel System
Comprehensive
Catalyst
Evaporative System
Oxygen Sensor
Oxygen Sensor Heater
EGR system

As long as all the above is ready AND you don't have a MIL on, you are good.

Good to know car will pass with AP loaded.

Now need to find out if it will pass if codes are blocked through ATR. Like the EGR for example.

[Kiyomi]

its all about money, not about being environmentally friendly. my boss took his 1980 camaro to get it etested and was told that it failed cause of a blown catalytic converter which was causing a cel. got it replaced with new piping for like 800 and got it tested again at a dealership or something and it still failed for other reasons. somehow he got a 2 year pass as one of the managers told him he paid enough already... total ****n scam.

[Booter22]

its all about money, not about being environmentally friendly. my boss took his 1980 camaro to get it etested and was told that it failed cause of a blown catalytic converter which was causing a cel. got it replaced with new piping for like 800 and got it tested again at a dealership or something and it still failed for other reasons. somehow he got a 2 year pass as one of the managers told him he paid enough already... total ****n scam.

its been a while since ive dealt with etests directly, but i think if you fail there is a min repair cost required. so say its $500. if your repair is $400 you need to do it and then get a retest if you pass or fail you get a conditional. if your repair costs $800 then you can run again get a conditional but it must pass the next time. or something like that. the other problem apart from the $35 test and $15 retest or what ever it costs, is the diag to find out why it failed, we dont do etests or failed diag at our shop but back in the canadian tire days it used to be around $100-$150 to diag why the car failed. + the repair + both first and 2nd tests.

but your right before you know it its $800- $1000 and there was nothing wrong to start with. the worst is that new cars dont need to be tested for 7 years, yet if you buy a car thats not 7 years old or sell yours to someone else. it needs an etest before it can be plated. now that is a scam! :rant:flaming:complain

[aris]

its all about money, not about being environmentally friendly. my boss took his 1980 camaro to get it etested and was told that it failed cause of a blown catalytic converter which was causing a cel. got it replaced with new piping for like 800 and got it tested again at a dealership or something and it still failed for other reasons. somehow he got a 2 year pass as one of the managers told him he paid enough already... total ****n scam.

Why would he need to e-test a 1980 camaro? Did you mean 1990?

[Slade]

The biggest bullshit part is it depends on where you live.

Friends with an address in Burks Falls does not need to do drivecleans, even though they drive down here more so then up north.