Anyone into Physio?

[sudz]

I hurt my knee. I rarely go to Doctors (if I'm dying, I will)

Basically, I rolled my ankle (its fine) on a rock and fell on my knee, the side of my leg/knee taking 100% of the weight of my fall. (So, I basically fell, Ontop of my knee)

My knee landed on the corner of a patio stone.

I heard a crunchy pop. I honestly figured I had screwed my knee. I got up right away, Hobbled inside, and looked out the window to see if anyone had seen me.

I wash my hands, roll up my pants and look at the knee. its a bit red, some skin rubbed off (pants fine, weirdly) and very little swelling. It was very weak for a while, so I just hobbled around, trying to keep it mobile without load.

So, its 2.5 weeks later.

Stairs still are "ginger" Walking is more or less fine (I limp mildly, with almost no pain)
Sitting with my knee bent results in mild throbing, but nothing horrible.

Advice? what should I do (if anything)
It sucks because I've paid 150 bucks for "cardio tennis" and Have missed 2 out of 4 sessions (with 4 left) so its a huge waste of money.



What hurts, is any sort of Torque on the knee. Rotational forces can make shout out and buckle and fall if I'm not careful
Other things that hurt are crouching. i don't even think of kneeling.

Now, I'm wondering if its something that will just go away with time, or if I should go Somewhere? (Walk-in? urgent care? some random place?) to get it looked at?

also, I drive stick, it only hurts if I'm stuck in traffic for more than 20 minutes.

[ptgrad2012]

I am a physio, but it's really hard to give you any recommendations without assessing you in person.
But I think what happened is that during that 2.5 weeks of limping, you haven't been putting much weight on that injured leg (understandable).
So muscles on that leg, particularly your quadraciep will deteriorate ( getting smaller, and weaker) hence giving you these knee buckling episodes.

So I think you should go see a physio in person to rule out any other underlying serious issues.

[peterm15]

Get it looked at by a doc first. Then take the recommendations given.

I created a thread a few months ago asking pretty much the same question. I've been suffering with knee and back pain for ages. There is an OHIP physio but there is a waiting list as well as you'll need a referral.

I just hope it's not overly serious for your sake.

[ptgrad2012]

Get it looked at by a doc first. Then take the recommendations given.

I created a thread a few months ago asking pretty much the same question. I've been suffering with knee and back pain for ages. There is an OHIP physio but there is a waiting list as well as you'll need a referral.

I just hope it's not overly serious for your sake.

there are specific criteria that you need to be in to get the benefit of OHIP clinic; you need to be 18 younger or 65 and older.
If you go to a family doctor, chances are he'll give you some pain killer and tell you to go home.

[peterm15]

there are specific criteria that you need to be in to get the benefit of OHIP clinic; you need to be 18 younger or 65 and older.
If you go to a family doctor, chances are he'll give you some pain killer and tell you to go home.

There is someone on here that is into the OHIP physio. I don't think he falls into that criteria. I could be wrong.

And yes. Most family doctors will put you on pain killers, or naproxen ( or something similar. ) thankfully mine does not. Although he doesn't seem to give any real suggestions on what I can do.

Personally I wouldn't suggest taking pain killers as it eventually make things worse. The reason why I suggest to see a doctor is to make sure your cartilage is intact. Unless of course a physio therapist can do so now.

[ptgrad2012]

There is someone on here that is into the OHIP physio. I don't think he falls into that criteria. I could be wrong.

And yes. Most family doctors will put you on pain killers, or naproxen ( or something similar. ) thankfully mine does not. Although he doesn't seem to give any real suggestions on what I can do.

Personally I wouldn't suggest taking pain killers as it eventually make things worse. The reason why I suggest to see a doctor is to make sure your cartilage is intact. Unless of course a physio therapist can do so now.

yea generally speaking family doc are not good at musculoskeletal stuff, but go to them and ask for a referral to go see a physio.

[peterm15]

yea generally speaking family doc are not good at musculoskeletal stuff, but go to them and ask for a referral to go see a physio.

Agreed. But you gotta start somewhere, can't go see a specialist or anything without a referral.

[mazdaagain]

You need to go to a family doctor who will do a quick assessment (if he/she is any good). They should stress the joint and see what causes pain and if it's indicative of ligament damage etc then they will refer you to a specialist (Orthopedic Surgeon as peterm15 indicated will not see you without a referral) who will assess if you have any ligament or cartilage damage. They may also send you for xrays to check out if you did any damage to the kneecap or bone structure. From how you fell it does not sound like it should be ligament damage. Cartilage damage is a possibility but sounds more like you may have partially dislocated the kneecap or chipped the bone or maybe even a hairline fracture (just my uneducated guess).
I play a lot of sports so have had my knee scoped, torn cartilage and ligaments, has shoulder surgery and had pins inserted into broken bones and am pretty good at self asessing myself.

Physio works better when a doctor has assessed the damage and directs the physio so they know what kind of rehab and physio work is required. I would never personally trust a physio to assess my injuries (and defintely don't let a chiropractor do the assessment)

[Flagrum_3]

You need to go to a family doctor who will do a quick assessment (if he/she is any good). They should stress the joint and see what causes pain and if it's indicative of ligament damage etc then they will refer you to a specialist (Orthopedic Surgeon as peterm15 indicated will not see you without a referral) who will assess if you have any ligament or cartilage damage. They may also send you for xrays to check out if you did any damage to the kneecap or bone structure. From how you fell it does not sound like it should be ligament damage. Cartilage damage is a possibility but sounds more like you may have partially dislocated the kneecap or chipped the bone or maybe even a hairline fracture (just my uneducated guess).
I play a lot of sports so have had my knee scoped, torn cartilage and ligaments, has shoulder surgery and had pins inserted into broken bones and am pretty good at self asessing myself.

Physio works better when a doctor has assessed the damage and directs the physio so they know what kind of rehab and physio work is required. I would never personally trust a physio to assess my injuries (and defintely don't let a chiropractor do the assessment)


^ Big+1. I would suggest a visit to your doctor and an x-ray 'at the least', just to confirm no serious damage has been caused.


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[peterm15]

For future reference. It's always a good idea to visit a hospital or something when an injury like this occurs. I know it's a pain. But they usually have different types of doctors in to expedite the process of seeing a specialist.

Been to a specialist MANY times for my knees And they always say the same thing. " we're gonna hold off on surgery as your feeling better now. "

Ya. 6 month wait to see him will do that.

[Lockdown]

Yeah, I don't fall into <18 or >65 and OHIP physio so check around. I wrote a lot of info on this topic not too long ago.

[peterm15]

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=66001

Btw. I still haven't gotten anywhere with that.

[sudz]

I get benefits at work, so I'll do the dr route first. I do have an appointment with my doctor, but its for december 6th. I was afraid continuing to walk on it (although not painful) would be causing more harm, so I decided to ask here. Because... naturally, a Car Forum is the first logical place to go for medical advice... lol

[S.F.W.]

I get benefits at work, so I'll do the dr route first. I do have an appointment with my doctor, but its for december 6th. I was afraid continuing to walk on it (although not painful) would be causing more harm, so I decided to ask here. Because... naturally, a Car Forum is the first logical place to go for medical advice... lol
Go to a walk in clinic, get the referral to physio ASAP, get checked out properly.

[mazdaagain]

I get benefits at work, so I'll do the dr route first. I do have an appointment with my doctor, but its for december 6th. I was afraid continuing to walk on it (although not painful) would be causing more harm, so I decided to ask here. Because... naturally, a Car Forum is the first logical place to go for medical advice... lol

WTF ? You need to wait 3 weeks for an appointment with a family doctor ? You need a new family doctor !! I can call my doctor and usually get in same day or next day. Go to a walk-in. If you don't make it in til Dec 6 and you need to see a specialist then you'll have to wait a long time to see them with the xmas break and all.

[peterm15]

Walk in will just hand you meds. Make sure you tell them you don't want meds. You'd prefer a referral of some sort.

Either that or get your appointment pushed up.

[sudz]

I got it bumped up to November 21st.

The reason it was so long is because it was listed as a full physical.
I still have the physical on the 6th, but the visit on the 21st is just for my knee now.

[krimsalt]

All I can tell you is get it checked out, for pain to not dissipate after 2 and a half weeks is not good. You don't want something permanently damaged. For God's sake this is Canada - we have free health care for a reason..

[sudz]

lol. I just feel like a wuss, because it doesn't hurt, unless... well, unless i use it.

So yeah, guess its kinda stupid NOT to get it looked at at least.

[sudz]

Finally got into the doctor yesterday. Looks like I probably tore my meniscus?

They did an X-Ray last night, but will probably need an MRI. (scheduled for next week)

[Lockdown]

Hard to tell from an Xray about the meniscus. MRI will tell you a little better.
Good news is, if needed, it's just a scope to repair. Likely walk out afte a few hours.

[geobur]

You need to go to a family doctor who will do a quick assessment (if he/she is any good). They should stress the joint and see what causes pain and if it's indicative of ligament damage etc then they will refer you to a specialist (Orthopedic Surgeon as peterm15 indicated will not see you without a referral) who will assess if you have any ligament or cartilage damage. They may also send you for xrays to check out if you did any damage to the kneecap or bone structure. From how you fell it does not sound like it should be ligament damage. Cartilage damage is a possibility but sounds more like you may have partially dislocated the kneecap or chipped the bone or maybe even a hairline fracture (just my uneducated guess).
I play a lot of sports so have had my knee scoped, torn cartilage and ligaments, has shoulder surgery and had pins inserted into broken bones and am pretty good at self asessing myself.

Physio works better when a doctor has assessed the damage and directs the physio so they know what kind of rehab and physio work is required. I would never personally trust a physio to assess my injuries (and defintely don't let a chiropractor do the assessment)

+1+1+1+1!!!

I agree completely...speaking from experience you would rather play it safe than sorry...

My experience is very rare, and obviously mostly irrelevant to your situation, but I injured my shoulder playing sports and for months I could bearly move it, and the pain kept getting worse, then going away, then getting worse...I had crazy swelling and that would go away for a while. Finally I decided to get a 3rd opinion (had been the hospital once, family doctor, once) So I went to a different hospital and told them what was going on...

turns out I had a rare type of bone cancer in my shoulder that probably had been growing for a while but had been irritated by my injury...

I'm 23 and even though my case was/is very rare and even though I don't think you have cancer my point is it's better to get it looked at now rather than later when it could already have done more permanent damage.

[sudz]

So, my knee is getting better.

I think the dr. screwed up. I had Xrays done the day I saw the dr, and he told me I was getting an MRI.

Well...I got an ultrasound. Even the ultrasound lady had no idea why she was taking an ultrasound of my knee.

*shrugs*

On another note, the person who invented the UltraSound gets the award for coolest sounding invention. "ultra sound" ... "ULTRA-SOUND" Just sounds awesome.

Someone should make an exhaust pipe company called UltraSound.

[S.F.W.]

I was wondering how your Doc got you an MRI in a week. Now I know..
Good to see the knee is getting better, though the MRI still may be warranted

[Jsquared]

Yeah I was about to ask the same thing. It took me 3 months to get an MRI on my neck. Slipped disc in my neck = total loss of feeling in my pointer finger which sucks when you want to pick your nose. I cant actually feel the gold thats in there.

Physio did save me the surgery which would have meant permanent damage in my neck and potentially the loss of feeling in a few fingers.

[geobur]

Slipped disc in my neck = total loss of feeling in my pointer finger which sucks when you want to pick your nose. I cant actually feel the gold thats in there.

LMFAO!

[joedemarco]

If you're in the Brampton area, call the Sheridan College clinic, many athletic therapy students learning to practice in a clinic setting, supervised by our professors. And it's much more affordable for any person to get treated at $15 per session.

Hope you feel better. Also, the physio is right about the doctors....in my own experiences, even as a student, doctors rarely treat a musculoskeletal issue with anything more than meds. In this case it is best to take this issue to a earth are professional who specializes in muscles.