Bye-Bye Rob Ford [Archive]

Aitch

11-26-2012, 12:03 PM

This just in: Rob Ford removed as mayor (to be delayed 14 days) due to conflict of interest case.

LINK (http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/1293190--mayor-rob-ford-guilty-kicked-from-office-but-can-run-again)

I would have preferred him just losing in an election but perhaps this will jump-start the process. Seriously, when you have to specify which of the mayor's court cases you're referring to, something is wrong.

S.F.W.

11-26-2012, 12:12 PM

Very pleased with the decision. However, I worry that it will simply be tied up in appeals for too long.

loki

11-26-2012, 12:19 PM

craziness

07carbon3

11-26-2012, 12:25 PM

..wait what?!?

rzapata

11-26-2012, 12:26 PM

Yikes! With all that "publicity" he's getting, not just in Toronto, even here in Calgary, this was bound to happen...

brucewayne

11-26-2012, 12:33 PM

i nominate loki for mayor

schmat66

11-26-2012, 12:33 PM

bullshit

FoXy

11-26-2012, 12:34 PM

I for one am glad. I hope they get someone better in there. So seems teh dep. mayor will be takin over for a while. I wonder when they will vote for someoene else.

loki

11-26-2012, 12:39 PM

i nominate loki for mayor

+1

Dave_The_BMXER

11-26-2012, 12:56 PM

mazdaspeedemon3

11-26-2012, 01:08 PM

i nominate loki for mayor

+1

first thread clean ups, next mayor of Toronto

Seshan

11-26-2012, 01:15 PM

People at my work were cheering and high fiving over this but um... didn't the city of Toronto (which isn't just downtown!) vote him where he was in the first place?

Granted he proved to be a bit of a tool he still won the election which is a bigger problem for Toronto no?

Pretty much everyone that was running for mayor where tools, Rob Ford was just less of a tool, so he got voted in because there was no better choice, and they have to vote some one in.

Jackal

11-26-2012, 01:16 PM

i nominate loki for mayor

Flipdady's new boss? Lol.

yearoftherat

11-26-2012, 01:18 PM

mathew.poulos

11-26-2012, 01:22 PM

Seshan

11-26-2012, 01:28 PM

Ford is not a very smart man in his political strategy, but he had some good ideas in council, unfortunately he made no real changes and his impact on our actual politics will be soon forgotten.

Along the way between gay pride, the reporter outside of his house and multiple trails he was bound to get thrown out. But let's be clear, this isn't for being a shitty mayor.

Technically it is, he didn't do his job properly and broke conflict of interest rules.

Also, He just said he was going to fight it and he would run in the next election. Hopefully he won't get elected.

mathew.poulos

11-26-2012, 01:32 PM

Technically it is, he didn't do his job properly and broke conflict of interest rules.

Also, He just said he was going to fight it and he would run in the next election. Hopefully he won't get elected.

after all this shit i really dont think he will be anything elected in the City Of Toronto. Even if people agree with his politics wont vote for him for fear of being a "Black Sheep"

And I was more speaking in terms of what his plans were for the city. More Subways Vs LRT, Garbage Collection, His attempts after the "Summer of the Guns", in my opinion were all good moves. His Personal life is what is questionable.

Aitch

11-26-2012, 02:00 PM

People at my work were cheering and high fiving over this but um... didn't the city of Toronto (which isn't just downtown!) vote him where he was in the first place?

Granted he proved to be a bit of a tool he still won the election which is a bigger problem for Toronto no?

He won the election by arguably selling a bunch of lies about what he could accomplish. Yes every politician does this to some extent, but many of his were whoppers - granted perhaps he really doesn't understand that his ideas don't work. After all, in this court case he admitted to reading an oath that he quite literally did not understand.

Dave_The_BMXER

11-26-2012, 02:26 PM

People were tired of David Miller's antics, so they elected Ford.
Frying pan fire I guess?

I guess it's just weird because people (I work with) were immediately wondering how Toronto could elect Ford when he became Mayor and stating nobody voted for him.

Might all be weird to me being from Mississauga.

brucewayne

11-26-2012, 02:42 PM

People were tired of David Miller's antics, so they elected Ford.

if ford had committees for every decision like miller, he would probably still be mayor. ford rubbed many powerful people the wrong way and probably made too many enemies. not exactly the proper way to be political. im sure more mayor have done worse but they knew who they were messing with.

geobur

11-26-2012, 03:10 PM

Personally I liked Rob Ford and thought he was doing a decent job of bringing down the debt of Toronto, but I don't like talk Politics on forums like this so I don't rub people the wrong way. Especially since I am new here and am enjoying this forum.

peterm15

11-26-2012, 04:56 PM

I hope he will fight and win.

I consider Adam Vaughan to be the devil. Lol.

It's about time someone stood up to frivolous government spending.

You don't have to like him or most of his views. But he did have great ideas when it came to how to run the city.

Let's face it though. ( and I mean no offense) we live in a leftist society, the only reason why Harper remains in government is because he is a very left sided conservative. As a whole we will continue to vote in idiots like McGuinty who has been ripping us off for years. People are afraid of change. But if thing don't change we WILL end up like Greece.

Aitch

11-26-2012, 05:04 PM

I hope he will fight and win.

I think he will fight. I think the judgement was correct concerning how the law is written though.

I consider Adam Vaughan to be the devil. Lol. No comment. Not a huge fan myself but...

It's about time someone stood up to frivolous government spending.

Indeed. However reducing spending in a measured way, and yelling "STOP TEH GRAVY TRAIN" while killing revenue-generating tools just because he didn't like them (rather than based on our needs vs. the tools merits) was like a bull in a china shop.

You don't have to like him or most of his views. But he did have great ideas when it came to how to run the city.

Arguable. Again, decreasing spending is laudable. But that's about the only good idea he had. Unfunded subways in areas that won't support the ridership for another 20-30 years? "The war on the car"? "NO MORE STREETCARS!!!" Firing and undercutting public servants who he didn't agree with? The list goes on and on about the ideas of how to run a city that were irresponsible, reckless, or just plain dumb.

Let's face it though. ( and I mean no offense) we live in a leftist society, the only reason why Harper remains in government is because he is a very left sided conservative. As a whole we will continue to vote in idiots like McGuinty who has been ripping us off for years. People are afraid of change. But if thing don't change we WILL end up like Greece.

Agreed. Harper is a conservative at heart, and is taking the country towards the right in baby steps, but has also governed towards the center. Deficits have gone down, balanced budget is nowhere in sight.

peterm15

11-26-2012, 05:38 PM

I think he will fight. I think the judgement was correct concerning how the law is written though.

No comment. Not a huge fan myself but...

Indeed. However reducing spending in a measured way, and yelling "STOP TEH GRAVY TRAIN" while killing revenue-generating tools just because he didn't like them (rather than based on our needs vs. the tools merits) was like a bull in a china shop.

Arguable. Again, decreasing spending is laudable. But that's about the only good idea he had. Unfunded subways in areas that won't support the ridership for another 20-30 years? "The war on the car"? "NO MORE STREETCARS!!!" Firing and undercutting public servants who he didn't agree with? The list goes on and on about the ideas of how to run a city that were irresponsible, reckless, or just plain dumb.

Agreed. Harper is a conservative at heart, and is taking the country towards the right in baby steps, but has also governed towards the center. Deficits have gone down, balanced budget is nowhere in sight.

I agree that the judgement was correct. The judge even said his hands were tied.

No comment? Lol.

Revenue.
Agreed, BUT I'd rather see someone CUTTING spending rather then acting like a bill in a china shop and increasing spending. ( I'll probably get flamed for this BUT I am not a union supporter. There is a time and a place, government jobs are not one of them, UNLESS they worked off a merit rather then a seniority. Ie. hard working people move up in their job while lazy asses get canned)

Transit.
Yes. I somewhat agree. BUT keep in mind how much money has now gone to " planning" and fighting fords subways to now just say " it's the best plan and subways are our future" ( not a direct quote but you get the point). All this time and money for stint and the rest to just change their mind? Which has now put an even further delay on useable transit.

Harper.
Still steps in the right direction. Hard to balance a budget that's been screwed for years, screwed by left wing politics.

And thanks Atich. Its nice to see educated arguments. People who know what is going on and not just the I hate ford bandwagon.

People really have to start looking at the fiscal aspect of politics, rather then just helping people. You can't help everyone. Welfare is screwed, student loans are screwed, as well as many other social programs. Why spend all this and get nothing in return. In the words of ford " hug a thug" programs that have been implemented since the year of the gun have obviously done nothing. Why spend money on them. we're up to what? 3 minors arrested in the Danzig shooting? The very people these programs are aimed towards.

Oh ya and I agree.

LOKI FOR MAYOR.

Jackal

11-26-2012, 05:55 PM

No one is above the law except for Steven Seagal!
https://netflix.hs.llnwd.net/e1/images/0523/1060523.jpg

geobur

11-26-2012, 06:18 PM

No one is above the law except for Steven Seagal!
https://netflix.hs.llnwd.net/e1/images/0523/1060523.jpg

actually even that picture shows him under "the law"... :/

Aitch

11-26-2012, 08:11 PM

asyed

11-26-2012, 09:46 PM

LOKI 2012!!!!

someone make campaign posters...now

SilentJay

11-26-2012, 09:50 PM

Guy was a PR nightmare but he operated predictably and had the right ideas, just executed them very poorly.

peterm15

11-26-2012, 10:05 PM

Peter I think we agree more than I expected based on your first post. I agree somewhat with the budgetary ideals Ford espoused, just not some if his methods it ideas for getting there. And city council hasn't had its act together on transit in decades. Having said that, LRTs make much more sense to me than subways outside of the core.

There was nothing I really disagreed with in your post. Just have slightly different views.

LRT makes sense NOW. BUT in 10 years we will be begging for subways.

Traffic congestion sucks, and taking up driving lanes for LRT does not make sense in certain areas. Nor does shutting down major arteries to the city ( ie the Allen. ) although in some areas it makes financial sense, we are better off spending now to save later.
The main thing that bothered me about TTC was the above/below ground aspect. Although that makes sense, the cars they were using weren't ment to be underground. Which causes a public safety concern. AND the fighting and bitching to win. Then retract and decide to go with subways anyways.

Imagine the hell you would have to deal with for them to build LRT on eglington for the next 5 or so years. It sucks. I delbt with it on St Clair. ( I met you with Dave one day at tims, so I know your area)

This is all why I want Loki as mayor. They vote against him, he bans them. Lol.

Anyways we may as well get back on topic. Ford is out for now. Obviously some got what they wanted since day one, some didnt. I would have liked to see him finish his term, if he runs again I'd vote for him ( if I currently could, no longer in the city. ) I'm just waiting to see how counsel plays this out.

SirWanker

11-26-2012, 11:59 PM

LRT makes sense NOW. BUT in 10 years we will be begging for subways.

No one is denying that. Rob Ford however is still delusional about private investors fully paying for an expansion in an area incapable of supporting a subway line. He refuses to consider other funding sources due to ideological differences.

peterm15

11-27-2012, 12:14 AM

No one is denying that. Rob Ford however is still delusional about private investors fully paying for an expansion in an area incapable of supporting a subway line. He refuses to consider other funding sources due to ideological differences.

I agree. There had to be better options.

yet 3 months after voting down the subway, the board changed their mind and came up with funding ideas for a subway ( al be it not good ones). At this time the area cannot support subways. But with the way the GTA is expanding we really do need to look at the future. And not just at the needs now.

I'm not saying subways should be EVERYWHERE, but I don't think a majority LRT plan is a good idea either.

geobur

11-27-2012, 01:02 AM

S.F.W.

11-27-2012, 01:01 PM

I agree. There had to be better options.

yet 3 months after voting down the subway, the board changed their mind and came up with funding ideas for a subway ( al be it not good ones). At this time the area cannot support subways. But with the way the GTA is expanding we really do need to look at the future. And not just at the needs now.

I'm not saying subways should be EVERYWHERE, but I don't think a majority LRT plan is a good idea either.

My worry with Ford's subway plan was not the concept of Subways, but the planned execution. Focusing on expanding the Sheppard line was the wrong priority. Look at the existing Sheppard line, previous administrations built that line, expecting development to grow along the subway corridor. It has not, and the line is a subway to nowhere useful.
Second, his statements that "public/private" partnerships would pay for the subway, that was a fairy tale.

Rob23

11-27-2012, 01:04 PM

gotta love when karma catches up to people!!

peterm15

11-27-2012, 01:20 PM

My worry with Ford's subway plan was not the concept of Subways, but the planned execution. Focusing on expanding the Sheppard line was the wrong priority. Look at the existing Sheppard line, previous administrations built that line, expecting development to grow along the subway corridor. It has not, and the line is a subway to nowhere useful.
Second, his statements that "public/private" partnerships would pay for the subway, that was a fairy tale.

Agree. But times have changed. Look at the Vaughan line. Condo construction in the area has already begun. There is 2 going up for sure but I think there is a couple more in the works.

The best idea that came out of any of them ( don't think it was ford) was to work in conjunction with builders to have the condos build directly on top of the subway line. Like they are currently doing at young and shepherd( or finch, I can't remember)

geobur

11-27-2012, 01:40 PM

Second, his statements that "public/private" partnerships would pay for the subway, that was a fairy tale.

I actually feel this could have worked...do you know how many companies would love to have a station named after them? And what they would pay to sponsor it? Can you imagine the highest bidder getting a busy station like Union or Interchange Spadina being called Tim Hortons Union what better advertising. That I think is what he was thinking...I believe there are already a few stations that go like that.

personally I feel like we should sell the TTC to the highest bidder and instead of it being a city worry let a 3rd party control the interest in it. I know a lot of people are against that but look at GO that was sold and now it is doing much better for itself and (in my opinion) prices aren't that bad.

in todays day and age where corporations are the ones making money and governments aren't we should be looking at privatising what we can...yes it would be less income for the city...but it would also come with less overhead operating costs, hassle, and worry.

rajin929

11-27-2012, 03:53 PM

business and politics same shit.

get a job with some power/authority, spend a few years fcking it up, then leave the mess for the next person to clean up.
the next guy comes along and does the exact same, and so it continues and money continues to go down the drain.

I'm sure Ford isn't crying at home wondering how he's gonna make next month's mortgage payment.

communism is looking better and better these days lol
how many billions were spent on the US election? That money could have certainly been used elsewhere.

mathew.poulos

11-27-2012, 04:10 PM

I'm sure Ford isn't crying at home wondering how he's gonna make next month's mortgage payment.

This should show actually a bit towards his character, he has a million dollar company he could be working at making tons of money. Instead he is in the public eye, as they are nit picking at him for reading a newspaper and driving. He got not a single break as mayor, we all forget, we are all human.

This is why smart people stay out of politics. Who needs the B.S?

SirWanker

11-27-2012, 10:03 PM

This should show actually a bit towards his character, he has a million dollar company he could be working at making tons of money. Instead he is in the public eye, as they are nit picking at him for reading a newspaper and driving. He got not a single break as mayor, we all forget, we are all human.

This is why smart people stay out of politics. Who needs the B.S?

He did get a break for his distracted driving thanks ( though un-proven to be related to ) to the non-negotiated and rather generous contract with the police union.

Have you even wondered WHY he was not directly involved with Deco's operations?

At least we can agree on his intelligence...........

mathew.poulos

11-28-2012, 09:45 AM

He did get a break for his distracted driving thanks ( though un-proven to be related to ) to the non-negotiated and rather generous contract with the police union.

Have you even wondered WHY he was not directly involved with Deco's operations?

At least we can agree on his intelligence...........

It was more of just one example of how the public is so critical of the public officials for things unrelated to politics.

Smart people would look at political positions and go "I think I stick making 10x more money and not being criticized for my every move I make"

midnightfxgt

11-28-2012, 10:35 AM

It was more of just one example of how the public is so critical of the public officials for things unrelated to politics.

Smart people would look at political positions and go "I think I stick making 10x more money and not being criticized for my every move I make"

Rob Ford is an idiot. Not too many will disagree with that. Whether or not he is a good politician is up for debate.

Of course public officials will be scrutinized. It goes a long way to speaking about their character.