MS3 not being continued past 2013?

[Zuluwun]

So at was at the CIAS yesterday and of course, had to at least drop by the Mazda section (they had a really cool screen projected onto a wall of water vapour, anyone else see that?)

As I was speaking to the rep at the main desk, I mentioned my interest in the Speed. I wish I remember her exact words because that's much more relevant but it was something to the effect that Mazda may not be continuing to sell the Mazdaspeed 3 past the 2013 model year. She went on to sell the new Mazda 6 (of course) and told me that they were planning on bringing a 2.2 turbo diesel MZ6 to the NA market, inferring that it would be replacing the Speed3 as a performance model in the Mazda lineup.

Has anyone else heard rumblings of this? I have to admit, I was completely taken aback (and quite disappointed) to hear this.

[Mr Wilson]

3 is being redesigned, Mazda is moving away from the MZR engines for skyactive. Not really a surprise.

There keeps being rumblings for a new MS6.

[zzz3]

Most of the reps there are just contracted or front line employees (sales, marketing etc). I wouldn't really give much credence to their knowledge of plans for future product. For example at the autoshow, I asked a product specialist if they had a TDI golf and he lead me to a GTI...when I pointed out that there not the same he told me to wait while he gets someone with more knowledge of the products.

[Zuluwun]

3 is being redesigned, Mazda is moving away from the MZR engines for skyactive. Not really a surprise.

There keeps being rumblings for a new MS6.

(MS3 fanboy complaining here)

Well when you put it that way, I feel like I should've seen this coming too. It's a shame to see manufacturers move away from performance compact cars on this side of the pond. Can/would they either leave the 2.3 DISI or make a performance skyactive then? Feasibility obviously comes into play, but I'm sure there is at least a market, isn't there?

I wonder if that 2.2L turbo diesel will be the new MS6 then? I don't know how I'd feel about THE Mazda performance car being a diesel.


Most of the reps there are just contracted or front line employees (sales, marketing etc). I wouldn't really give much credence to their knowledge of plans for future product. For example at the autoshow, I asked a product specialist if they had a TDI golf and he lead me to a GTI...when I pointed out that there not the same he told me to wait while he gets someone with more knowledge of the products.

Maybe it was just the way she spoke but I believed she wasn't entirely wrong, if at all. Then too, why would she lie about that/make it up, JUST to push the 6? Bit of a stretch in my mind.

And lol! at your story. I can tell the difference and I know next to nothing about vw.

[jonjon72]

Most of the reps there are just contracted or front line employees (sales, marketing etc). I wouldn't really give much credence to their knowledge of plans for future product. For example at the autoshow, I asked a product specialist if they had a TDI golf and he lead me to a GTI...when I pointed out that there not the same he told me to wait while he gets someone with more knowledge of the products.

+1

I had a conversation with a guy about the A5 and he had very little information regarding the various trims that he had to go back and forth to confirm few things.

Would be a shame if Mazda truly decides to do away with the Speed 3.

[2012speed3]

I've read something about a skyactive turbo motor for the miata..... maybe it will make it's way into a 3 one day.

[Booter22]

I've read something about a skyactive turbo motor for the miata..... maybe it will make it's way into a 3 one day.

Yea I have heard about that too. Trying to get it back to 1000 lbs. But what it seems may happen is the low hp 220hp/310tq refular twin diesel and a high hp big brother. If we will get it or when. No idea. Will it be the new speed version, tons of hp /tq and crazy fuel economy. Possibly, however I have not heard that the speed line will be done away with. But I would at least think the next speed will be different hopefully have more power, maybe a 2.5L. But time will tell.

[boyracer]

This was reported on MSF several weeks ago. Some inside sources from the States said the same thing, that the MS3 will be discontinued.

[Rob23]

If Mazda does this they will truly no longer be in any way a performance brand company. I dont completely disagree with the route they are taking with their cars, but they need at least one decent sports car! If they do away with the speed3 I don't even know what to say anymore. Mazda will be the new Toyota.

[rajin929]

bean counters > auto enthusiasts

[mazdabetty]

Most of the reps there are just contracted or front line employees (sales, marketing etc). I wouldn't really give much credence to their knowledge of plans for future product. For example at the autoshow, I asked a product specialist if they had a TDI golf and he lead me to a GTI...when I pointed out that there not the same he told me to wait while he gets someone with more knowledge of the products.

+2 on this. Dude behind the Mitsubishi counter had zero information on the possible discontinuation of the Evo. He thought I was just some dumb girl and pointed at the Evo behind me and said "That is an Evo". Yes thanks buddy but that's not what I'm asking you. ugh. The chick working with him jumped in and gave a little bit more insight, but as a friend of mine working at the autoshow put it, lots of pretty faces walking around, but very little knowledge about the product. Unfortunate.

I think we would have heard more on this if the speed was really going to be discontinued this year, but I wouldn't doubt 2015 could possible be the final year for production...

[Jsquared]

Spoke to the owners of Westowne at the cias and they assured me the speed3 will be sticking around. Mazda is currently contemplating a 2 door Mazdaspeed 3. Like mentioned above, a redesign not a disappearance.

He also said do not expect to see any speed6's again. Sad!

This could be bad information but I can confirm these guys have been on point before.

[5_Alive]

I have seen dealer only preliminary photos of the next possible mazdaspeed6..
Keep your fingers crossed.

They better continue to make the Speed3..
Or I will have to jump ship..

[asyed]

Most of the reps there are just contracted or front line employees (sales, marketing etc). I wouldn't really give much credence to their knowledge of plans for future product. For example at the autoshow, I asked a product specialist if they had a TDI golf and he lead me to a GTI...when I pointed out that there not the same he told me to wait while he gets someone with more knowledge of the products.

THIS ^

I know a friend who worked at the auto show this year and he found out that many of the models/reps are actually from marketing companies that contract their services to the manufacturers. If you want a definite answer you'd have to talk to someone who actually worked for Mazda....thats if he would be allowed to tell.....

[tdott]

Hopefully they bring it back soon.

[Booter22]

Hopefully they bring it back soon.

Bring what back? You make it seem like it is already gone.

[tdott]

I meant if production did stop, usually it would only be until they redid things or came out with a new engine/design/model or something.

[Booter22]

Not really. Less the cosmetics and a few programming changes, the 2010 and 2007 speed 3s are very similar. So they could get away with a "new" speed model and change less the you think.

[Cab0oze]

Well worst case if they stopped making them I'm pretty sure that would be good news for my resale value :D

Anyhow as others said, trusting anything a salesperson says is foolish.

[SomeGuy]

I don't want them to come out with a new speed 3, then I'd have to trade in for the latest and greatest and that's expensive lol

It would be interesting to see a new mazdaspeed model though.

[Booter22]

I don't want them to come out with a new speed 3, then I'd have to trade in for the latest and greatest and that's expensive lol

It would be interesting to see a new mazdaspeed model though.

Yea a sedan or 2 door something would be cool to see.

[rzapata]

I hope all of these rumors are just lies. It's only been 6 or 7 years since the speed came out.

Even if they redesign the speed3 I'm sure people are still gonna buy it (myself included)

[Jsquared]

The best part of reading this thread is that we have all heard different rumors from various mazda employees, sales reps...etc. Mazda has done their job well here in keeping us all in the dark.

Wish list: AWD speed 3 or 6 and I will forever buy Mazda. I would even rename the savings account from GTR to AWD Mazda. ;)

[Mitchell3]

If Mazda does this they will truly no longer be in any way a performance brand company. I dont completely disagree with the route they are taking with their cars, but they need at least one decent sports car! If they do away with the speed3 I don't even know what to say anymore. Mazda will be the new Toyota.

+1, if I buy Mazda again, it would be a speed. If its discontinued then I guess I'll have to go else where..

[Zuluwun]

Wish list: AWD speed 3 or 6 and I will forever buy Mazda. I would even rename the savings account from GTR to AWD Mazda. ;)

Whoa, that's a big deal lol. I see an AWD MS6 in the future (esp. since the last one was) but AWD MS3? Doubt it somehow, would be awesome though.


+1, if I buy Mazda again, it would be a speed. If its discontinued then I guess I'll have to go else where..

I think a lot of people would agree with you here, I certainly do. I guess barring those who would look for a Mazda people carrier, the CX family is nice.

[dexter]

Didn't read the whole thread but I'm not surprised. I briefly mentioned it here:

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?66022-2014-Next-generation-Mazda-3-mega-thread&p=1055102&viewfull=1#post1055102

[cSPEED]

if they come out with a mazdaspeed miata with closer to 300HP that will most definitely be my next car

[Rob23]

if they come out with a mazdaspeed miata with closer to 300HP that will most definitely be my next car

Same. But I'd need a second DD car because the Miata is too small.

[Pereira11]

At Mazda head office we were told a new rotary is being developed for the next gen RX-7 with potential for a FI model. Mazda may just be putting there efforts into the RX-7 as their flagship performance model instead of the MS3.

[Rob23]

At Mazda head office we were told a new rotary is being developed for the next gen RX-7 with potential for a FI model. Mazda may just be putting there efforts into the RX-7 as their flagship performance model instead of the MS3.

I thought they got rid of the Rotary for good? If they come out with a new Twin Turbo RX-7 I could die happy.

[Jsquared]

At Mazda head office we were told a new rotary is being developed for the next gen RX-7 with potential for a FI model. Mazda may just be putting there efforts into the RX-7 as their flagship performance model instead of the MS3.

Westowne guys touched on this as well. This would be exciting!

[Scottobot]

I thought they got rid of the Rotary for good?

Sacrilege!

[Pereira11]

i dont think the rotary will ever die completely. it has been a staple with Mazda for quite some time. a next gen RX-7 twin turbo would be amazing as the RX-8 was just so underpowered

[Booter22]

soo... talking with my rep today... doesnt look like a 2014 speed will be coming.. or at least it doesnt look that way now. he was saying it doesnt really fit into the "sky" direction and it would be difficult to use the same power plant in the next 3, and a high compression turbo set up wouldnt work that well. however he joked about the next speed as a diesel.. if there is one.. so i suppose we will just need to wait and see now.

[r4mi5awi]

That's a shame. Hopefully they at least offer an MPS line, either with performance/handling accessories or a higher trim model like Audi's S line or a 'track package' equivalent.

[rzapata]

soo... talking with my rep today... doesnt look like a 2014 speed will be coming.. or at least it doesnt look that way now. he was saying it doesnt really fit into the "sky" direction and it would be difficult to use the same power plant in the next 3, and a high compression turbo set up wouldnt work that well. however he joked about the next speed as a diesel.. if there is one.. so i suppose we will just need to wait and see now.

Tree huggers! :chuckle

That's their new direction. :chuckle

[mParsonz]

That's really crappy they are looking to get away from the performance image, I bought a base 3 last year, in the hopes of trading it in on the new gen speed 3, since I just assumed they would have one.

I'll be sad if they just can it :(

[peterm15]

Tree huggers! :chuckle

That's their new direction. :chuckle

Dammit.

Never Trust A Hippie.

[rzapata]

They should can the skyactiv and leave the zoom zoom maker alone.

This tree hugging phenomenon is killing everything. :chuckle

[peterm15]

They should can the skyactiv and leave the zoom zoom maker alone.

This tree hugging phenomenon is killing everything. :chuckle

+1.

Especially since the sky doesn't seem to get that much more real life mileage as compared to my gen 1 2.0.

[DaveIrwin24]

They are gonna have to get rid of the slogan "zoom zoom" , and change it too "putt putt"

[boyracer]

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[greyseason]

^LMAO

when my car was getting serviced, i was talking to a lady rep at the mazda dealership. She told me that there could be or theyre working on a MS6 diesel

[Scottobot]

How many model years was the regular 3 available before the Speed3 was introduced?
I'm not worried.. But I do thnk it will be a few years after the refresh/overhaul before we see a next-gen Speed3.

[Mr Wilson]

3 years, 04, 05, 06

MS6 was 06, 07

[Booter22]

^LMAO

when my car was getting serviced, i was talking to a lady rep at the mazda dealership. She told me that there could be or theyre working on a MS6 diesel

we asked about a 6. nothing in the works yet. however, and its not offical news but there is talks, about the next rotary. didnt say what it would be "new" rx7 or rx9 and power plant and so on. but maybe at this time they are working on perfecting the rotary and then will bring back a speed of some kind.

we can only hope. trust me i wanted a speed next as well.. mind you im talking 7 years from now when my car is 10 years old but still. i did want that to be my next one.

[greyseason]

I would absolutly love a new rotary, aunt has a 13b which i hope will be mine, BUT i really think they could make more money with a 250-300hp, 400tq MS6 diesel since they already have the body and such, but i really have no idea what it takes to get a car from 'what if' to 'now what'

[Booter22]

im sure it wont take long for cobb to figure out a tune for the twin turbo diesel.. to open that sucker up from the 220hp. thats what im waitng for. power and fuel econ. so you could still have a 250hp and tons of tq from a mazda 6 diesel with a cobb tune.

at least i hope that happens. *fingers crossed*

[greyseason]

you make a solid point. Speaking of the 6, i sat in one last week, and man, if i didnt have my car id love to own one. Feels so classy, and i love the dark chrome and steering wheel.

[r4mi5awi]

true, but something tells me once someone gets a hold of one and rices it out, it would just ruin the class and appeal of a midsize sedan like the 6.