So what if he's a crack head? We already knew that

[fruitloops]

I really wish people on here wouldn't just spew facts out of their arseholes and actually provide proof. SirWanker

[m_bisson]

I really wish people on here wouldn't just spew facts out of their arseholes and actually provide proof. SirWanker
Lol are you getting mad because of something someone said on the Internet?

[fruitloops]

Lol are you getting mad because of something someone said on the Internet?
Lol umadbro?




Nope.

[Jenuine]

seeing that Rob has been working on average only 2-3 hours a day, he sure has not been an efficent use of taxpayer funds.
Cool story. U shouldn't vote for him den.

[Jenuine]

There are some people who need to be held to a higher standard than the rest of us. People that we give SO MUCH power to, need to behave responsibly not just on the job, but in all aspects of their life. You don't want your kids kindergarten teacher stripping at a bar on the weekend, right? Don't want the cops to be shooting up cocaine when they're not on duty, right?

So are you saying that ALL teachers, cops, doctors, politicians, nurses, etc. are model citizens in all aspects of their lives? The truth is, if you do have kids/when you have kids, they're going to be exposed to different people who will do "bad" things in their personal life - some things we may never know about, and some things that we will. Your kid's kindergarten teacher could be shooting up heroin on the weekends on his/her day off and you might never know, while thinking, "what a great role model this teacher is". That's why you teach your kids right from wrong, and YOU be a role model to them and surround them with family/friends who are good role models. That way when they do come across somebody who's a bad example, they'll know it. Who in their right mind would encourage their kids to look up to a politician anyway?

[loki]

So are you saying that ALL teachers, cops, doctors, politicians, nurses, etc. are model citizens in all aspects of their lives? The truth is, if you do have kids/when you have kids, they're going to be exposed to different people who will do "bad" things in their personal life - some things we may never know about, and some things that we will. Your kid's kindergarten teacher could be shooting up heroin on the weekends on his/her day off and you might never know, while thinking, "what a great role model this teacher is". That's why you teach your kids right from wrong, and YOU be a role model to them and surround them with family/friends who are good role models. That way when they do come across somebody who's a bad example, they'll know it. Who in their right mind would encourage their kids to look up to a politician anyway?

A politician was once someone's kids

Maybe one day you'll have kids, and maybe one of them will want to get into politics

You also don't vote for who your teacher is or the cop that shows up to your door when you call 911. But I bet if you needed to cop and they showed up drunk you'd be pretty upset about it

[Jenuine]

A politician was once someone's kids

Maybe one day you'll have kids, and maybe one of them will want to get into politics

You also don't vote for who your teacher is or the cop that shows up to your door when you call 911. But I bet if you needed to cop and they showed up drunk you'd be pretty upset about it

Every politician in the election has skeletons in their closets. None of them are saints, that's the reality of politics.

If my kid(s) really wants to get into politics, I'm not going to stop them. It wouldn't exactly be the career path I'd want for them but it's their choice. I'd hope that I taught them better and they don't sell their souls and become corrupt/lie/manipulate. I definitely wouldn't encourage them to look up to a politician when they're young though.

Plus, when I have kids and they're old enough to vote, they can exercise their democratic right and vote however they want. I'm pretty sure they'll learn on their own every politician tries to win an election based on false promises. Don't really care if they decide to cast a vote for someone like Ford, Chow, or Tory, or not cast a vote at all, or cast an empty ballot. Not going to criticize their decision and make them justify it to me lol

Edit: I have a godson who's 8 years old and the least of his concern is who the Mayor is/who's running for Mayor. He cares about Lego, action figures, and video games. I don't think that's going to change any time soon so saying that the Fords are bad role models is funny because my godson wouldn't know who the hell Doug/Rob Ford is even if I tried to explain it. He'll probably start learning about politics when he's a teenager and by then his role model will probably be an athlete or something. I don't think he, on his own, would look up to politicians as role models.

[loki]

Every politician in the election has skeletons in their closets. None of them are saints, that's the reality of politics.

If my kid(s) really wants to get into politics, I'm not going to stop them. It wouldn't exactly be the career path I'd want for them but it's their choice. I'd hope that I taught them better and they don't sell their souls and become corrupt/lie/manipulate. I definitely wouldn't encourage them to look up to a politician when they're young though.

Plus, when I have kids and they're old enough to vote, they can exercise their democratic right and vote however they want. I'm pretty sure they'll learn on their own every politician tries to win an election based on false promises. Don't really care if they decide to cast a vote for someone like Ford, Chow, or Tory, or not cast a vote at all, or cast an empty ballot. Not going to criticize their decision and make them justify it to me lol

Every promise doesn't start off as a false promise..

shit happens along the way and stuff changes. If you ever get involved in the public sector you'd see this, until then, straight up saying that all these people are liars is pretty stupid

sorry

[loki]

and what I was getting at is that you keep coming back to try and justify your position. If you're saying it's not necessary then there really is no need to keep posting here

[Jenuine]

loki yea every promise isn't a false promise, but it may be a promise that the politician knows they can't keep. We see this after every election when they don't deliver on their promises lol... anyway.

I'm not coming back to try and "justify my position". If someone quotes me and asks me a question, I'm going to respond. Not to be rude but @mbisson asked me a question about my future kids and role models so I responded to him, not you so I don't know why you keep engaging me and then asking why I'm responding lol.

I said it's not necessary to defend my position on WHY I'm voting for Ford - which I haven't been doing. The current discussion isn't even about that.

[Jenuine]

Also loki, it seems like you confused something I said earlier in the thread.

- Someone was curious and asked who we're all voting for.
- I said Ford.
- Someone got fired up that I'm voting for Ford and demanded justification.
- I said I avoid debates about why I'm voting for a particular candidate because it just goes back and forth (e.g. "A is better than B because of X", "but B is better than A because of Y"), no one's mind is going to change at the end and these debates always get hostile.
- The discussion then turned to talking about being an informed voter - I never said it wasn't necessary to voice my opinions on this matter and have a discussion about this.
- The discussion then turned to talking about kids/politicians as role models - again, I never said it wasn't necessary to voice my opinions on this and have a discussion about it with other members.
- Neither of the above two topics have to do with me justifying why I'm voting Ford which is why I participated in it.

Just had to clarify that because you're basically telling me to stop posting while I'm having a discussion with other members. I say this in the nicest way possible and I mean no disrespect but for once, can you just be a mod and moderate the forum rather than try to troll?

I don't jump on people for having different views/beliefs than I do. I don't know why you're engaging me and then telling me to stop responding when it's a discussion between another member and I. If you aren't open to the fact that we all have different opinions then why bother participating in a discussion about politics? Like you said, you're remaining neutral in this, right? Like I said earlier, when talking about politics we have to agree to disagree. I recognize that others have different experiences than I do, grew up in different environments, which shape their views and beliefs so everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I may disagree with those views because my perspective is different but I don't demand that they justify it and tell them that they're wrong or tell them to stop posting.

[loki]

You're not understanding me but that's ok

Carry on

[loki]

And I'm not trolling in this thread

[midnightfxgt]

You're not understanding me but that's ok

Carry on


I picture the Loki cat face palming as you read this, lol

[fruitloops]

I picture the Loki cat face palming as you read this, lol
Ok. Thanks for letting us know.

[loki]

Ok. Thanks for letting us know.
You're funny too

[m_bisson]

loki yea every promise isn't a false promise, but it may be a promise that the politician knows they can't keep. We see this after every election when they don't deliver on their promises lol... anyway.

I'm not coming back to try and "justify my position". If someone quotes me and asks me a question, I'm going to respond. Not to be rude but @mbisson asked me a question about my future kids and role models so I responded to him, not you so I don't know why you keep engaging me and then asking why I'm responding lol.

I said it's not necessary to defend my position on WHY I'm voting for Ford - which I haven't been doing. The current discussion isn't even about that.
I didn't ask about kids; it's got nothing to do with role models. Re-read my post. And then please don't reply.

[Jenuine]

I didn't ask about kids; it's got nothing to do with role models. Re-read my post. And then please don't reply.

"You don't want your kids kindergarten teacher stripping at a bar on the weekend, right?"

You did ask about kids... perhaps you should get your d*ck out of loki's ass for a second and re-read your own post.

I responded specifically to that question because of how absurd it is. I even responded to the cop question and I asked, "So are you saying that ALL teachers, cops, doctors, politicians, nurses, etc. are model citizens in all aspects of their lives?"

I know from other threads that you aren't capable of having discussions, you're known for that and you're known for acting like you're somebody big behind your computer screen, but please, either act like an adult and have a proper discussion or if your retardation can't handle that then you should stop replying.

[m_bisson]

"You don't want your kids kindergarten teacher stripping at a bar on the weekend, right?"

You did ask about kids... perhaps you should get your d*ck out of loki's ass for a second and re-read your own post.

I responded specifically to that question because of how absurd it is. I even responded to the cop question and I asked, "So are you saying that ALL teachers, cops, doctors, politicians, nurses, etc. are model citizens in all aspects of their lives?"

I know from other threads that you aren't capable of having discussions, you're known for that and you're known for acting like you're somebody big behind your computer screen, but please, either act like an adult and have a proper discussion or if your retardation can't handle that then you should stop replying.

Are you sure that I'm the one who can't handle it?

The point I was making is that people is certain positions SHOULD be held to a higher standard. That task falls on us, the rest of society. If we all shrug things off like they don't matter then we have no right to complain about it happening. It's up to us to hold these people accountable for their actions.

It's a major conflict of interest, for example, to have a police officer enforce the laws on duty, but break them off duty. Or, to have the figurehead of the city act as Rob Ford has acted. He made worldwide news headlines because of his antics... is that really something society should tolerate? Of course not! He's a public servant. He works for the city; he works for the taxpayers; he's supposed to be acting in your best interests. Your tax dollars funded his drug habits. Don't you see the problem with that?

[Jenuine]

Are you sure that I'm the one who can't handle it?

The point I was making is that people is certain positions SHOULD be held to a higher standard. That task falls on us, the rest of society. If we all shrug things off like they don't matter then we have no right to complain about it happening. It's up to us to hold these people accountable for their actions.

It's a major conflict of interest, for example, to have a police officer enforce the laws on duty, but break them off duty. Or, to have the figurehead of the city act as Rob Ford has acted. He made worldwide news headlines because of his antics... is that really something society should tolerate? Of course not! He's a public servant. He works for the city; he works for the taxpayers; he's supposed to be acting in your best interests. Your tax dollars funded his drug habits. Don't you see the problem with that?

I never said that the Mayor shouldn't be held to a higher standard, as should teachers, cops, etc. - they should. But I pointed out that your kid's kindergarten teacher could be stripping or doing drugs on the weekend and you might never find out. You don't think there are cops out there who do illegal things off-duty? I'm just pointing out that with any candidate you elect, they might do drugs or have an alcohol problem as well, it's just nobody knows about it yet.

That's why I'm in the middle of personal vs professional life argument because I see both sides. I agree with both sides.

[loki]

If you follow the forum you woukd notice Jenuine if anyone doesn't have their dick in loki's ass it's m_bisson

That comment was just f****ing stupid

[loki]

Stop dragging me into your comments as if I am somehow influencing the way people are posting in this thread

Thanks

[Jenuine]

If you follow the forum you woukd notice Jenuine if anyone doesn't have their dick in loki's ass it's m_bisson

That comment was just f****ing stupid

Well he did in this thread because he was taking our misunderstanding and using it.

[loki]

I'm just pointing out that with any candidate you elect, they might do drugs or have an alcohol problem as well, it's just nobody knows about it yet.



But what if you knew about it?

I wish in had the Morpheus meme here

[Jenuine]

But what if you knew about it?

I wish in had the Morpheus meme here

Well that's my point lol. I know about Rob Ford. I also know that there are other politicians, teachers, cops, etc. who do drugs as well. That's why I'm in the middle and it hasn't exactly swayed my decision one way or another because I understand why people don't want to vote for somebody who is known to have done drugs, and then I understand the other side when people say they don't care about that, they just want to focus on whether the mayor has delivered and taken care of our tax dollars.

If people don't want to vote for the Fords then they shouldn't, they have every right to not want a mayor whose drug habits and drinking problems are public knowledge.

[loki]

You know a few politicians, teachers and cops that do drugs personally? Or you're speculating because of the thought that there are alot of politicians, teachers and cops therefore some of them must be doing drugs because they can't all be saints?

[Jenuine]

You know a few politicians, teachers and cops that do drugs personally? Or you're speculating because of the thought that there are alot of politicians, teachers and drugs therefore some of them must be doing drugs because they can't all be saints?

One of my teachers in high school did drugs (ecstasy). I also have friends who had teachers in other schools who did drugs/bought drugs.

I have friends who are cops who say that there are a lot of cops who do drugs/have drinking problems.

[loki]

One of my teachers in high school did drugs (ecstasy). I also have friends who had teachers in other schools who did drugs/bought drugs.

I have friends who are cops who say that there are a lot of cops who do drugs/have drinking problems.
You know any politicians?

[Jenuine]

You know any politicians?

I don't know politicians personally but if you've followed the news, Rob Ford isn't the only politician to use drugs.

There was Justin Trudeau who admitted to smoking pot, didn't George Smitherman say he used party drugs? And a Quebec politician admitted to using cocaine as well. I'm pretty sure there are more politicians who admitted to using drugs.

[loki]

I don't know politicians personally but if you've followed the news, Rob Ford isn't the only politician to use drugs.

There was Justin Trudeau who admitted to smoking pot, didn't George Smitherman say he used party drugs? And a Quebec politician admitted to using cocaine as well. I'm pretty sure there are more politicians who admitted to using drugs.
I don't follow the news

All that matters to me is what's written on TM3

[Booostin]

Anybody in the spotlight will always be put under a microscope whether it be politicians, celebrities, sports players etc not sure why this is such a surprise to anyone. Many people working as cops, judges, policiticians yadda yadda are phucked... I dont need to know any rapists or murderers personally to know that they are out there.

[Aitch]

Jenuine, the question is, when you find out that your theoretical kid's teacher is also a stripper or a drug user, and it's affecting their day job, do you want them to keep their job? That's the logical question based on the comparison you came up with yourself.

Or rather do you believe that in general there are always going to be bad apples, so it doesn't really matter if they keep that job since the replacement might be just as bad?

[switzah]

Need Jerry Springer here

[m_bisson]

switzah don't know who your baby daddy is?

[switzah]

switzah don't know who your baby daddy is?

Nah I don't have a baby. Just the arguing is making me laugh.

[Jenuine]

Jenuine, the question is, when you find out that your theoretical kid's teacher is also a stripper or a drug user, and it's affecting their day job, do you want them to keep their job? That's the logical question based on the comparison you came up with yourself.

Or rather do you believe that in general there are always going to be bad apples, so it doesn't really matter if they keep that job since the replacement might be just as bad?
I wouldn't want my kid's teacher to be a drug user. On the other hand, I had a teacher that was a drug user but he was still a great teacher and a good person. He did his job well. He was messed up and had issues for sure, a lot of students knew about it but still loved him. I know I wouldn't have wanted him to be replaced.

That's why I'm torn when it comes to this. I've come across a lot of people who did stupid and questionable things, things that I didn't necessarily agree with... But I learned that a lot of people have issues, sometimes they hide it well and sometimes they don't, but I never let someone's demons completely define them. Maybe that's just me.

[midnightfxgt]

I wouldn't want my kid's teacher to be a drug user. On the other hand, I had a teacher that was a drug user but he was still a great teacher and a good person. He did his job well. He was messed up and had issues for sure, a lot of students knew about it but still loved him. I know I wouldn't have wanted him to be replaced.



So you're saying it did NOT affect his professional life? Which is what Aitch asked.

[Jenuine]

So you're saying it did NOT affect his professional life? Which is what Aitch asked.
Well we knew he was on drugs, he told some of us, so I'd say, yea, it did affect his professional life to some degree.

[Aitch]

I wouldn't want my kid's teacher to be a drug user. On the other hand, I had a teacher that was a drug user but he was still a great teacher and a good person. He did his job well. He was messed up and had issues for sure, a lot of students knew about it but still loved him. I know I wouldn't have wanted him to be replaced.

That's why I'm torn when it comes to this. I've come across a lot of people who did stupid and questionable things, things that I didn't necessarily agree with... But I learned that a lot of people have issues, sometimes they hide it well and sometimes they don't, but I never let someone's demons completely define them. Maybe that's just me.

Now THAT'S a response i like. I don't necessarily agree wrt to Rob Ford, but I respect that reasoning.

[m_bisson]

I feel like politicians who are running for election, whether municipal or federal, should be subject to background checks. They should also be required to be able to obtain at least some level of security clearance.

They have access to so many things that can affect us, it seems almost careless to nor have actual prerequisites for the job.

[Kiewan]

Its interesting to see the Ford brothers being associated with one another so much and Rofo"s scandals creeping into Dofo's campaign.

[SirWanker]

I really wish people on here wouldn't just spew facts out of their arseholes and actually provide proof. @SirWanker (http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/member.php?u=5442)

and to what you were referring about?
RE:Attendence then:



Ford was criticized by Holyday and others in 2012 for skipping more than two hours of a meeting (http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2012/11/02/ford_misses_council_meeting_for_football_team_driv en_in_private_ttc_bus.html) to coach a football game. But it is Ford’s absenteeism on non-council days that has generated the most questions about his work habits.

In 2011 and 2012, Ford took three hours off on most fall afternoons to coach football practice. His daily whereabouts for much of the term were unknown, and former aides told police he had cancelled appointments and had gone “MIA” while intoxicated. His internal itinerary for much of 2012 and early 2013 was filled with large chunks of unspecified time listed as “private.” (http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2013/04/18/mayor_rob_fords_meeting_schedule_shrinks_again.htm l)

“Mayor Ford does not work full time but during the election he works long hours,” the police paraphrased Ford’s former executive assistant, Kia Nejatian, as saying in documents released in connection with their investigation of Ford related to the apparent crack cocaine video.
fromToronto Star Jan032014 (not on main system so no links for now)


Cool story. U shouldn't vote for him den.

rather obvious non?

[fruitloops]

and to what you were referring about?
RE:Attendence then:

fromToronto Star Jan032014 (not on main system so no links for now)



rather obvious non?
Thanks bb

[CloudPump]

With respect to teachers/cops/politicians on drugs/alcohol:

I don't want any of these people on drugs or alcohol on the job (or off the job to the extent that it has an effect on their job). The difference is that I don't get to vote in cops or teachers. I do get to vote in my politicians.

When you vote for a politician who has a drug or alcohol problem that effects their job performance, you are effectively rewarding (or at least not punishing) this behaviour.

I don't want a drunk teacher teaching children. But I don't have an option of voting in a new teacher. I don't want a drunk/high/angry/absent mayor running my city and I *can* do something about this.

-Geoff

[Fobio]

Thinking outside the box...colouring outside the lines...

or

Above the law?

Doug Ford has 336 illegal signs removed, Chow 25, Tory 21 (http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/toronto2014election/2014/10/23/doug_ford_has_336_illegal_signs_removed_chow_25_to ry_21.html)

[SirWanker]

Thinking outside the box...colouring outside the lines...

or

Above the law?

Doug Ford has 336 illegal signs removed, Chow 25, Tory 21 (http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/toronto2014election/2014/10/23/doug_ford_has_336_illegal_signs_removed_chow_25_to ry_21.html)

Since Lisi has been helping with the signs, that is not suprizing
http://www.nowtoronto.com/_assets/images/content/2014/10/23/LisiComeLisiGo_large.jpg

http://www.nowtoronto.com/_assets/images/content/2014/10/23/LisiLookBack_large.jpg

[SirWanker]

Doug was certainly being creative with the truth in last night's mayoral debate:

his number of false or misleading things: 23. Olivia Chow said four, John Tory said three. (http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/toronto2014election/2014/10/23/campaign_lie_detector_doug_ford_says_23_inaccurate _things_at_ctv_debate.html)

[SirWanker]

http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=36258&d=1414163273

[m_bisson]

Well ****.... Kitchener looks like it has a version of Rob Ford running for something here too.

[loki]

So quiet in here

[Thrizzl3]

It wasn't the vicTORY that we wanted...Doug's hope was Found On the Road Dead....cheers to ontario for the next shitty ass 4 years.

[loki]

It wasn't the vicTORY that was we wanted...Doug's hope was Found On the Road Dead....cheers to ontario for the next shitty ass 4 years.
do you even English bro?

[Thrizzl3]

do you even English bro?

Lol oh shut up

[Kiewan]

Chows speech was pretty good. All drunken high craziness aside: I hope Rob gets better. He's looking rough lately due to chemo :\

[loki]

Well politics aside no one wishes ill health on any one

[Aitch]

Was watching CTV for the results. Chow gets her speech, then eventually they had to cut away from Rob because he just kept rambling on.... "Now back to regular programming" haha they couldn't even wait for Doug or Tory to do their speeches.

[loki]

I'll see you again in..... (awkwardly long pause)....november 2018

[loki]

14 plus 4 is a tough one kids

[Aitch]

Anyone else think he might have been a little drunk last night?

[CloudPump]

Expected result was expected.

-Geoff

[SirWanker]

I will give RoFo the benefit of a doubt that it was a side-effect from chemo.
Ward 2 is in for another rough four years with two Fords representing them. Why they would elect an inexperienced Mike Ford ( literally as in no formal education as a teacher and practical exposure) as their school trustee is just confounding.

EDIT: plus Mike won without saying a single word........

ummmmm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1Ac6bBIgAAJe_q.jpg

"casted" http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/mtf/images/smilies/help.gif

[Fobio]

I will give RoFo the benefit of a doubt that it was a side-effect from chemo.
Ward 2 is in for another rough four years with two Fords representing them. Why they would elect an inexperienced Mike Ford ( literally as in no formal education as a teacher and practical exposure) as their school trustee is just confounding.

EDIT: plus Mike won without saying a single word........

ummmmm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1Ac6bBIgAAJe_q.jpg

"casted" http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/mtf/images/smilies/help.gif

The incumbent he beat out was an experienced individual as well that served the community for decades...

I'm bewildered that we somehow have 2 Ford's still in council...WTF.

[SirWanker]

Thread resurrection :devil....
Like him or hate him, at least there is permanent closure now.


(http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/03/22/rob-ford-former-toronto-mayor-dead-after-battle-with-cancer.html)

[m_bisson]

The guy was a ****ing nut bag, but even nut bags shouldn't die that young.

[Kiewan]

Yeah I hated a lot of things he did, his general behavior & most of his statements but I would never wish what he went through on anyone. Poor guy, far too young.

[daddy_phatstax]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeifszyCEAAPYLa.jpg

RIP Rob Ford

[Johns 08 3 GT]

RIP big guy.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y228/johns92jetta/RoFo_zpsm7arbzzp.jpg

[Cjcoolen]

RIP coach

[jaimie08mazda3]

RIP. He is at peace now.

[nigvlb_]

Love him or hate him, he did some great things for the city of Toronto. RIP Rob Ford. :(

[CloudPump]

Love him or hate him, he did some great things for the city of Toronto. RIP Rob Ford. :(

Such as?

-Geoff

[m_bisson]

Such as?

-Geoff

Now you're just beating a dead horse.

[Mr Wilson]

Such as?

-Geoff

Removing the bike lanes on Jarvis................after that I have nothing.

[Johns 08 3 GT]

Removing the bike lanes on Jarvis................after that I have nothing.

IIRC did he not save money privatizing garbage collection on one side of Yonge St.?

[CloudPump]

IIRC did he not save money privatizing garbage collection on one side of Yonge St.?

Sorta-kinda.

He promised to privatize garbage collection city-wide. He managed to get one neighbourhood privatized.

-Geoff

[Kiewan]

Removing the bike lanes on Jarvis................after that I have nothing.

The bike lanes were good. Repainting them back wasted tens of thousands of dollars.

White washing graffiti in the downtown core. Not just the crappy tags but nicer mural works

[CloudPump]

Removing the bike lanes on Jarvis................after that I have nothing.

Yeah, he did.

But was thing a "great thing for the city of Toronto?" or a minor act?

The only above average success I can think of off the top of my head is that he got the vehicle registration tax removed. I give full marks for this, he said he'd do something and it was done exactly the way it was supposed to be done from the start.

I don't consider this a "great" thing though.

-Geoff

[Mr Wilson]

The bike lanes were good. Repainting them back wasted tens of thousands of dollars.

Painting them cost thousands. I'm all for active transit and improved mode share among transportation modes, but lanes on Jarvis was a poor idea from the get go, especially with the great cycling infrastructure along Sherbourne.

CloudPump it was a grasp at straws anyways.......though the vehicle registration tax being removed was nice. Hurt especially with a second vehicle that isn't driven much.

[Kiewan]

Painting them cost thousands. I'm all for active transit and improved mode share among transportation modes, but lanes on Jarvis was a poor idea from the get go, especially with the great cycling infrastructure along Sherbourne.


Cost estimates from 2012, couldn't find the Actual cost:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/torontos-jarvis-bike-lanes-to-be-removed-by-end-of-year/article4583591/
Globe and mail: “Returning the road to its old configuration is expected to cost between $280,000 and $300,000. Installing the lanes cost $86,000.”

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/mayor-ford-defends-spending-300k-on-bike-lane-removal-it-never-should-have-been-built-in-the-first-place
National Post: “The Jarvis bike lanes, which council rejected a last-ditch bid to save Tuesday, will cost $300,000 to remove.”

I quite liked using the Jarvis bike lanes when they were there. How much of a rush hour time saving difference was there by removing them? Should have left them bike lanes IMO.

[Mr Wilson]

That cost of lane installation was a line item on a $6.5 million dollar rejuvenation of Jarvis making into the 'grand' Boulevard it used to be.

The claim was a two minute increase in travel time during peak periods from I think it was Queen to Bloor.

[SirWanker]

Removing the bike lanes on Jarvis................after that I have nothing.

WTF....removing the bike lanes were caving in to the elitists' from Forest Hill.



Yeah, he did.
But was thing a "great thing for the city of Toronto?" or a minor act?
The only above average success I can think of off the top of my head is that he got the vehicle registration tax removed. I give full marks for this, he said he'd do something and it was done exactly the way it was supposed to be done from the start.
I don't consider this a "great" thing though.
-Geoff


That was offset by:

penalties for cancelling the LRT

an LRT line that would have cost $0.00 in additional taxes
an LRT that would have been more accessible in terms of number of stops
an LRT that would have been f**** built by now


25-30 yrs of increased taxes, which are much more than the vehicle registration tax


riiiight he fought for the little guy, NOT.

[CloudPump]

WTF....removing the bike lanes were caving in to the elitists' from Forest Hill.





That was offset by:

penalties for cancelling the LRT

an LRT line that would have cost $0.00 in additional taxes
an LRT that would have been more accessible in terms of number of stops
an LRT that would have been f**** built by now


25-30 yrs of increased taxes, which are much more than the vehicle registration tax


riiiight he fought for the little guy, NOT.

Oh, I fully agree.

His failures dwarfed his achievement(s?).

But I will give the minor credit where it's due on the vehicle tax.

I still think he was the worst mayor of Toronto that I've seen.

-Geoff

[nigvlb_]

No need to get upset .. I didn't say all great things. Just some, keyword "some". :rolleyes

[Captain Mazda]

The drug-dealing gangster was a cancer for all of Toronto.

[loki]

No need to get upset .. I didn't say all great things. Just some, keyword "some". :rolleyes

With no examples, therefore a baseless comment