So what if he's a crack head? We already knew that

[Default User]

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So we've all heard the latest breaking news on Mayor Ford.
....but is anyone really surprised?

The only thing that I'm surprised about is that he still weighs a metric ton. LOL

Do you think he should resign now - or "weight" until all hell breaks loose and he's fired?

[MikeE]

i'm sure some of you have already seen the confession video.
http://youtu.be/ZfVRHBvUzcM

[boo-ninja]

Ever seen a 400lb crackhead?

[asyed]

Ever seen a 400lb crackhead?

I hope to never meet such a person....

[brucewayne]

Ever seen a 400lb crackhead?

exactly. the dude smokes weed, drinks booze, and eats everything. big deal.

he has obvious enemies. you don't get video and aerial surveillance of someone even if they are smoking crack. the whole drama has so many holes in it from the start.

[Jenuine]

exactly. the dude smokes weed, drinks booze, and eats everything. big deal.

he has obvious enemies. you don't get video and aerial surveillance of someone even if they are smoking crack. the whole drama has so many holes in it from the start.

I agree. I don't think it's a secret that the Ford brothers like weed and alcohol lol. He's still the best mayor we've ever had.

[boyracer]

Ever seen a 400lb crackhead?

Thank you. Crack heads weigh about 110 lbs. Of course it's weed he's smoking

[Hyperion]

If you have money, like he does, you can eat a buttload of food and do crack. Crack addicts sell everything they have for crack, he doesn't need to.

[The Wolf]

If you have money, like he does, you can eat a buttload of food and do crack. Crack addicts sell everything they have for crack, he doesn't need to.
This. Crack=cocaine, how many functional cocaine users are there vs crack users? The difference is crack is used by already poor people vs cocaine which is used by the rich. Lamar Odom smokes crack and he's doing just fine.

[boyracer]

If you have money, like he does, you can eat a buttload of food and do crack. Crack addicts sell everything they have for crack, he doesn't need to.

You don't have the appetite on crack. It's a stimulant, stimulants suppress appetite.

[brucewayne]

You don't have the appetite on crack.

it seems most drugs suppress or decrease appetite. drug users have never been presented as fat people. going back for decades, drug users have been presented as people who are skinny. contrast this to marijuana which has been recommended for eating disorders such as anorexia

[The Wolf]

These are typical side effects. Doesn't mean it's impossible that a fast guy can't be on drugs. Do his actions (ie going to a crack house and associating with crack dealers) seem like the actions of someone who's smoking weed?

[r4mi5awi]

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck....

[brucewayne]

These are typical side effects. Doesn't mean it's impossible that a fast guy can't be on drugs. Do his actions (ie going to a crack house and associating with crack dealers) seem like the actions of someone who's smoking weed?

its not impossible i suppose, but drug users have never been presented as fat people. thats pretty much a fact. i rememeber the 80s "this is your brain on drugs era." weed is illegal and is criminalized. people have to get it from criminals. if you buy bootleg dvds, you are buying it from a criminal..... where else would you get it from? bootleg dvds are illegal. criminals know about illegal activities, its there job.

this Lisi guy sounds like a nobody. he has 4 charges relating to marijuana, which occurred recently or at least after this video tape allegedly surfaced. this "scandal" has more holes than swiss cheese, but most people won't get it.... especially if your not from this city and don't understand how things work here

[Rob23]

Ok you dont have to be a "crack head" to smoke crack. The guy is a ignorant moron and an embarrassment to Toronto.
Rob Ford is the best mayor we've ever had? Thats the funniest thing i've ever heard.
The real question is who is the worst mayor ever? Rob Ford or Mel Lastman?

[brucewayne]

Ok you dont have to be a "crack head" to smoke crack. The guy is a ignorant moron and an embarrassment to Toronto.
Rob Ford is the best mayor we've ever had? Thats the funniest thing i've ever heard.
The real question is who is the worst mayor ever? Rob Ford or Mel Lastman?

so are you guys judging him as a major based on his personality or what he actually accomplishes as a mayor? if he makes the city a better place, i don't care what he does on his own time. he has enemies thats for sure. i highly doubt he is any worse than many powerful and political types in this city.... they just didn't piss people off. its his enemies and the media turning this into something. the police involvement is highly suspect. ive been waiting for bill blair to make a power move since those raids... just wait for it.

[Default User]

so are you guys judging him as a major based on his personality or what he actually accomplishes as a mayor? if he makes the city a better place, i don't care what he does on his own time. he has enemies thats for sure. i highly doubt he is any worse than many powerful and political types in this city.... they just didn't piss people off. its his enemies and the media turning this into something. the police involvement is highly suspect. ive been waiting for bill blair to make a power move since those raids... just wait for it.

Well put.
And that's the big thing here. What he does on his own time is none of our business.

Now he's in the news because he got plastered on St Patty's day. Who didn't?

However - if the evidence shows he used crack...would you still want him as mayor? After all the denials and lies to the publics faces.

[Kiyomi]

if hes used/uses crack whatever, but the investigation is ongoing due to the controversial death of the dude who had the video. possible hired hit, reason for so much investigation into the fords.

[mazdabetty]

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/11/01/2872601/5-things-toronto-mayor-rob-ford-has-done-that-are-worse-than-smoking-crack/

Haha... clueless, immoral, and a bully. No doubt the absolute best mayor Toronto has ever had :chuckle

[SKyactivmanny]

i'm sure some of you have already seen the confession video.
http://youtu.be/ZfVRHBvUzcM

Lold so hard

[Default User]

So there's a good chance he's going to announce his resignation as Mayor today at 1pm....

[mathew.poulos]

So there's a good chance he's going to announce his resignation as Mayor today at 1pm....

We're did u hear that?

I don't buy this story yet as the people who are "pushing" it through the media are the print media sources, the first crack story was announced the week the Toronto star added a pay wall to their website. They need readers to keep make them feel there is still a place in this world for the newspaper.

Oh an bill Blair... Ya the guy who brought us the g20 police, detained thousands of our citizens for no reason. Ya he's a trust worthy guy

[Punkrockjohn]

i'm sure some of you have already seen the confession video.
http://youtu.be/ZfVRHBvUzcM

this is hilarious lmaoo

[Rob23]

so are you guys judging him as a major based on his personality or what he actually accomplishes as a mayor? if he makes the city a better place, i don't care what he does on his own time. he has enemies thats for sure. i highly doubt he is any worse than many powerful and political types in this city.... they just didn't piss people off. its his enemies and the media turning this into something. the police involvement is highly suspect. ive been waiting for bill blair to make a power move since those raids... just wait for it.

No he is a terrible mayor regardless of his crack use. But that just adds to the already sorry excuse for a human being.

[SirWanker]

We're did u hear that?

I don't buy this story yet as the people who are "pushing" it through the media are the print media sources, the first crack story was announced the week the Toronto star added a pay wall to their website. They need readers to keep make them feel there is still a place in this world for the newspaper.

Oh an bill Blair... Ya the guy who brought us the g20 police, detained thousands of our citizens for no reason. Ya he's a trust worthy guy

Ummm considering that all four of the daily newspapers were calling for Ford's resignation, your defense is typical for a Ford Nation supporter.

[mathew.poulos]

Ummm considering that all four of the daily newspapers were calling for Ford's resignation, your defense is typical for a Ford Nation supporter.

All four dieing newspapers you mean? They are all in the same boat

This is a small a to medium amount of the evening news on TV but all the papers are talking about. This is there big push to prove that there reporters are earning their paychecks

Rob ford is a liar and a blubbering idiot, but when did being a liar in politics become wrong? I don't hear any of you bashing Kathleen Wynn or dalton mcgnity about the BILLION dollars they cost us. That effects YOUR taxes and hydro bills.

If you do not live in the city of Toronto this really has no barring on your life.

And also I'm not sure if everyone's aware but do a little research into the background of crack addicts. This guy definitely has a drinking problem and (maybe) cocaine but crack is not a recreational drug. Period.

[Jenuine]

There definitely is more to the story than what the media is reporting.

What the media doesn't tell you is that Ford wants to cut the number of Toronto Councillors in half to save taxpayer dollars since the majority of them sit around and do nothing, and since then, they've been on a witch hunt after him.

How come no one has questioned Bill Blair about the surveillance on the mayor? How much of our tax money was spent on this? What's sad is this surveillance is probably not going to end in Ford being arrested, so why was he even being followed? And who allowed/orchestrated this?

As a person, Ford is a loser with unhealthy habits, but as a mayor, I don't have a problem with the way he runs the city.

[SirWanker]

All four dieing newspapers you mean? They are all in the same boat

This is a small a to medium amount of the evening news on TV but all the papers are talking about. This is there big push to prove that there reporters are earning their paychecks

Rob ford is a liar and a blubbering idiot, but when did being a liar in politics become wrong? I don't hear any of you bashing Kathleen Wynn or dalton mcgnity about the BILLION dollars they cost us. That effects YOUR taxes and hydro bills.

If you do not live in the city of Toronto this really has no barring on your life.

And also I'm not sure if everyone's aware but do a little research into the background of crack addicts. This guy definitely has a drinking problem and (maybe) cocaine but crack is not a recreational drug. Period.

Ford just set back the timetable for new public transit construction by 3 years and counting.....not to mention the cancellation fees associated with the signed contracts associated with the LRT. oh wait...Hudak wants to cancel all existing LRT proposals and replace them with subways with no viable business plan to fund them ( beyond the double-talk of finding efficiencies).

So you are actually supporting for 30+ YEARS of increased taxes to pay for a three stop subway line that will provide less service and accessibility?

ALL of the idiotic parties were going to cancel the gas plants. How the locations were chosen without any transparency is beyond annoying.....

I do live in Toronto and will personally take great pleasure in NOT voting for that buffoon.

Frankly I don't care what Ford does in his private life but it is evident that it is affecting his decisions, screw that he was in way over his head as being the mayor, i.e. incompetent

[mathew.poulos]

Ford just set back the timetable for new public transit construction by 3 years and counting.....not to mention the cancellation fees associated with the signed contracts associated with the LRT. oh wait...Hudak wants to cancel all existing LRT proposals and replace them with subways with no viable business plan to fund them ( beyond the double-talk of finding efficiencies).

So you are actually supporting for 30+ YEARS of increased taxes to pay for a three stop subway line that will provide less service and accessibility?

ALL of the idiotic parties were going to cancel the gas plants. How the locations were chosen without any transparency is beyond annoying.....

I do live in Toronto and will personally take great pleasure in NOT voting for that buffoon.

Frankly I don't care what Ford does in his private life but it is evident that it is affecting his decisions, screw that he was in way over his head as being the mayor, i.e. incompetent

Actually the argument for subways is much deeper and as someone who drives you should know LRT makes no sense.

Maybe people planned on canceling the plants but that doesn't change that they lied right to all of us about how much this would cost.. They knew full well it would be 10x more then they said

And YOU can enjoy not voting for him but guess what... Approval jumped.... yes you read right JUMPED 5% since this broke a few days ago.

[SirWanker]

Actually the argument for subways is much deeper and as someone who drives you should know LRT makes no sense.


Please explain as the proposed route will use the existing RT line....away from the roads.


Maybe people planned on canceling the plants but that doesn't change that they lied right to all of us about how much this would cost.. They knew full well it would be 10x more then they said

Again a pox on all the political parties......


And YOU can enjoy not voting for him but guess what... Approval jumped.... yes you read right JUMPED 5% since this broke a few days ago.

Final approval will be at the election polls next year. Frankly I hope he will run for mayor as in failure to win, he cannot regain his seat as councilor.

[proDJtege]

I don't think anyone knows all the facts. I doubt anyone CAN get all the facts.
I get the idea that the resurgence of all this anti-Rob-Ford stuff is because he made a lot of people in politics and in the city angry for closing down services and departments that consisted of bullshit. There were (and likely still are) a ton of department and service staff that were making coin off of bullshit jobs. Sorry, but government runs like a business. Business is meant to make money, not waste it, and businesses have to clean house of the useless departments all the time.
Clearly he made people angry by cleaning house, and now those negatively affected are retaliating.

Also, everyone comments on his appearance in situations, but is he really the only overweight pale while guy you know of that sweats and turns red under pressure?? Hell I do that and I'm only 150lbs!
Does he smoke crack? Well if he does, he sure seems fine with still holding his job.
Did he make transit suck? Well how quickly everyone ignores how the last TTC head was an idiot and how nobody seems to be happy with ANY plan that anyone comes up with.
The city has been dealing with debt and deficit since the dark ages. How long does everyone think it could go on ignoring that without someone trying to fix it?

[Punkrockjohn]

I don't think anyone knows all the facts. I doubt anyone CAN get all the facts.
I get the idea that the resurgence of all this anti-Rob-Ford stuff is because he made a lot of people in politics and in the city angry for closing down services and departments that consisted of bullshit. There were (and likely still are) a ton of department and service staff that were making coin off of bullshit jobs. Sorry, but government runs like a business. Business is meant to make money, not waste it, and businesses have to clean house of the useless departments all the time.
Clearly he made people angry by cleaning house, and now those negatively affected are retaliating.

Also, everyone comments on his appearance in situations, but is he really the only overweight pale while guy you know of that sweats and turns red under pressure?? Hell I do that and I'm only 150lbs!

The city has been dealing with debt and deficit since the dark ages. How long does everyone think it could go on ignoring that without someone trying to fix it?

right on point

[SirWanker]

I don't think anyone knows all the facts. I doubt anyone CAN get all the facts.
I get the idea that the resurgence of all this anti-Rob-Ford stuff is because he made a lot of people in politics and in the city angry for closing down services and departments that consisted of bullshit. There were (and likely still are) a ton of department and service staff that were making coin off of bullshit jobs. Sorry, but government runs like a business. Business is meant to make money, not waste it, and businesses have to clean house of the useless departments all the time.
Clearly he made people angry by cleaning house, and now those negatively affected are retaliating.

Also, everyone comments on his appearance in situations, but is he really the only overweight pale while guy you know of that sweats and turns red under pressure?? Hell I do that and I'm only 150lbs!
Does he smoke crack? Well if he does, he sure seems fine with still holding his job.
Did he make transit suck? Well how quickly everyone ignores how the last TTC head was an idiot and how nobody seems to be happy with ANY plan that anyone comes up with.
The city has been dealing with debt and deficit since the dark ages. How long does everyone think it could go on ignoring that without someone trying to fix it?

Gee, still trying to justify the imaginary gravy train?
Ford hired an external firm to audit city services and they were unable to find any "gravy".
FYI, it is illegal for the city to run a deficit.

[mathew.poulos]

Regardless if you agree with the policies he has done what he promised he would do when he ran. He would win if the election was tomorrow. Give it time and people will realize

[Jackal]

Radio apology: What Rob Ford acknowledged — and didn't
On-air, the mayor skirted bigger issues of cocaine use and criminal pals, while admitting to drunken behaviour at two events and saying he'll finally get a driver.


http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2013/11/03/radio_apology_what_rob_ford_acknowledged_and_didnt .html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&app=noRedirect

[Mr Wilson]

As a Councillor, there isn't/wasn't much better for how he treated and cared for his constituents. As a mayor he's done some things I approve and disapprove of. Should his personal life matter that much, no, but then again he is the main representation of this City on a world scale. Not sure if I want him as the figure head. Not to mention you sometimes wonder if it is Doug that really pulls the strings.


Actually the argument for subways is much deeper and as someone who drives you should know LRT makes no sense.

How so?

[mathew.poulos]

How so?

We can argue about this all day long. But in MY opinion... phase out above ground systems... It makes sense. The city is exploding and we have no were for people to drive. You think the traffic is bad now, wait ten years when the streets are clogged with commuters using LRT.

Existing lines that are purposed are just cost saving arguments against the subways, at the end of the day we need them and either we foot the bill or our kids pay 3x the amount when they run out of roads

We are one of the only city's in NA with this dysfunctional a transit system.

[Aitch]

LOL @ this thread and Ford supporters. I would post some rebuttals but it would fall on deaf ears.

[mathew.poulos]

LOL @ this thread and Ford supporters. I would post some rebuttals but it would fall on deaf ears.

Well I doubt you have any rebuttals that are on topic as no one has seen the video yet. We somehow made it to arguing transit.

[Mr Wilson]

We can argue about this all day long. But in MY opinion... phase out above ground systems... It makes sense. The city is exploding and we have no were for people to drive. You think the traffic is bad now, wait ten years when the streets are clogged with commuters using LRT.

Existing lines that are purposed are just cost saving arguments against the subways, at the end of the day we need them and either we foot the bill or our kids pay 3x the amount when they run out of roads

We are one of the only city's in NA with this dysfunctional a transit system.

You brought transit up.

In many cases the proposed LRT lines would not decrease road capacity and the carrying capacity would increase which means less tax dollars going to the repair of roads. The idea of higher order transit is to remove people from cars altogether which means less congestion.

Currently subways are nothing more than paying for votes with hastily implemented lines that do not look at the broader picture (i.e. the Yonge line being over capacity for almost a decade). There`s nothing like flushing $300 per km down the drain so someone can have another 4 years in office or leave the wonderful legacy like Mel Lastmen.

Metrolinx and the Feds offered money to improve transit now, which the TTC Administration and Commission took. There's a reason why we've fallen behind.

[FoXy]

Im glad I dont live in toronto. Not that I would vote for Ford, hes a boob.

But lets be real, this guy aint no crack head, and I doubt he was smokin crack out of a glass pipe. Am I the only one here who has smoked pot out of a glass pipe or bong on numerous occasions?? Do people know nothing? The ppl of the media are the worst criminals around, the world would be a much better place without them. All they do is spread non-stop gossip, its like high school drama 24/7. Personally, I am sick of hearing about this.

But truthfully, anyone should be allowed to get tanked and smoke a little dope from time to time, BUT as a public figure you CERTAINLY shouldnt be doing it in public or where the media can see. It's a recipe for disaster and it just doesnt make people feel very confidant in you.

[peterm15]

LOL @ this thread. I would post some rebuttals but it would fall on deaf ears.

I feel the same way. Just on opposite sides. So I have decided to stay out of it.

[CloudPump]

So let's say someone was a bully, liar and suspected (but not confirmed drug user). Let's say this person has been publicly and visibly intoxicated (kicked out of a Leaf's game for berating other fans while intoxicated, lied about even being at the game until it was proven beyond a doubt. St. Patrick's Day being kicked out of a bar and then going to their office to drink. Getting very intoxicated at taste of the danforth). Let's say that this person ditched work to go to personal events on a regular basis (before geting "fired" from said regular events). Let's say this person frequently associates with a known drug dealer and convicted woman abuser. Let's say this person also associates with suspected and convicted crack dealers. Let's say this person violated the municpal act by voting on a pecuniary interest item and was ordered thrown out of office pending appeal (which was successful). Let's say this person has been tried for slander by local businesses.

Let's say the majority of this happened on that person's personal time.

Let's say this person is your 7 year old's grade 2 teacher.

Do you still want that person in their role?

-Geoff

[CloudPump]

There definitely is more to the story than what the media is reporting.

What the media doesn't tell you is that Ford wants to cut the number of Toronto Councillors in half to save taxpayer dollars since the majority of them sit around and do nothing, and since then, they've been on a witch hunt after him.

How come no one has questioned Bill Blair about the surveillance on the mayor? How much of our tax money was spent on this? What's sad is this surveillance is probably not going to end in Ford being arrested, so why was he even being followed? And who allowed/orchestrated this?

As a person, Ford is a loser with unhealthy habits, but as a mayor, I don't have a problem with the way he runs the city.

To be clear:

The surveillance was not on the mayor. The police were following Sando Lisi. The mayor just happened to be meeting with Mr. Lisi on a very frequent basis. All surveillance warrents were taken out against Mr. Lisi and not Rob Ford, and Rob Ford was not being followed by the police.

Additonally, the "annoucement" by Bill Blair that they had recovered the alleged crack video was not made in reference to Rob Ford. A press conference was held because multiple media outlets had fought in court to have documentation pertaining to Project Traveller and Project Brazen 2 released to the public. The Toronto Police resisted the release of such documentation, but were unsuccessful in convincing the court to keep the case files sealed. The "crack video" is evidence against Sandro Lisi for his charge of extortion. He is alleged to have used methods of extortion to attempt to recover the video. Documentation that the court cleared for release included mention of this piece of evidence.

In the course of answering media questions regarding the release of information pertaining to Project Traveller and Project Brazen 2, Bill Blair merely answered honestly and truthfully when asked if the Toronto Police Services had recovered the video.

-Geoff

[geobur]

I agree. I don't think it's a secret that the Ford brothers like weed and alcohol lol. He's still the best mayor we've ever had.

+1,000,000 couldn't agree more

[Slade]

Remember Bill Clinton...who was cheating on his wife?

Now, know about the guy 3 doors down from you, doing the same thing? No , because its not newsworthy...so why should the mayors be.

Let people do what they want in their own damn time, want me to follow you around and ridicule everything you do, while you are on your own time, not getting paid?

So NO ONE here has even had a beer on their lunch at work? Or had a beer and went back to work?

[geobur]

Remember Bill Clinton...who was cheating on his wife?

Now, know about the guy 3 doors down from you, doing the same thing? No , because its not newsworthy...so why should the mayors be.

Let people do what they want in their own damn time, want me to follow you around and ridicule everything you do, while you are on your own time, not getting paid?

So NO ONE here has even had a beer on their lunch at work? Or had a beer and went back to work?

exactly, or gotten tipsy at Taste of the Danforth?

[CloudPump]

exactly, or gotten tipsy at Taste of the Danforth?

To use Mayor Ford's exact words he admits he was "hammered" at the TOD, not "tipsy".

He was also there in his official capacity as Mayor of Toronto, with his staff and with scheduled appearanced (which he missed, I assume due to his being "hammered")

I will say that if I was appearing anywhere on behalf of the companay I represent and I was "hammered" I'd be fired on the spot.

-Geoff

[The Wolf]

+1,000,000 couldn't agree more

You can only +1, your + counts for 999,999 less than you claim.

[Aitch]

So let's say someone was a bully, liar and suspected (but not confirmed drug user). Let's say this person has been publicly and visibly intoxicated (kicked out of a Leaf's game for berating other fans while intoxicated, lied about even being at the game until it was proven beyond a doubt. St. Patrick's Day being kicked out of a bar and then going to their office to drink. Getting very intoxicated at taste of the danforth). Let's say that this person ditched work to go to personal events on a regular basis (before geting "fired" from said regular events). Let's say this person frequently associates with a known drug dealer and convicted woman abuser. Let's say this person also associates with suspected and convicted crack dealers. Let's say this person violated the municpal act by voting on a pecuniary interest item and was ordered thrown out of office pending appeal (which was successful). Let's say this person has been tried for slander by local businesses.

Let's say the majority of this happened on that person's personal time.

Let's say this person is your 7 year old's grade 2 teacher.

Do you still want that person in their role?

-Geoff

Roger that. How much can you excuse for the person representing our city to the world as well? Just because he's (arguably) doing a good job (not that I would agree with the latter statement either).

[midnightfxgt]

Roger that. How much can you excuse for the person representing our city to the world as well? Just because he's (arguably) doing a good job (not that I would agree with the latter statement either).

Agreed.

If this was Ford being drunk at a family BBQ, or something, the whole "what he does on his own time doesn't matter" argument would hold more weight (ugh).

[Rob23]

Remember Bill Clinton...who was cheating on his wife?

Now, know about the guy 3 doors down from you, doing the same thing? No , because its not newsworthy...so why should the mayors be.

Let people do what they want in their own damn time, want me to follow you around and ridicule everything you do, while you are on your own time, not getting paid?

So NO ONE here has even had a beer on their lunch at work? Or had a beer and went back to work?

Only difference is we are not representing over 2 million people, Rob Ford is. Also having a beer at lunch is not even close to the same as getting hammered in public while representing those people. He is "The ****ing mayor of Toronto!"

No wonder everyone in Canada hates Toronto, its is represented by morons like Rob Ford and made to look Americanized.
I like to believe some of us stand out from the ignorance of this city.

[mathew.poulos]

Only difference is we are not representing over 2 million people, Rob Ford is. Also having a beer at lunch is not even close to the same as getting hammered in public while representing those people. He is "The ****ing mayor of Toronto!"

No wonder everyone in Canada hates Toronto, its is represented by morons like Rob Ford and made to look Americanized.
I like to believe some of us stand out from the ignorance of this city.

If you think the rest of the country gives a shit about Toronto's mayor you are mistaken, this is a funny story to the rest of Canada and will soon be forgotten. This was about 1-2 minutes on the National News last night. Small Potatoes.

Additionally, Will Laval as a city suffer from there mayor scandal? Do think a corporation will think twice about opening an office here because our mayor is a red faced drunk?

[CloudPump]

If you think the rest of the country gives a shit about Toronto's mayor you are mistaken, this is a funny story to the rest of Canada and will soon be forgotten. This was about 1-2 minutes on the National News last night. Small Potatoes.

Additionally, Will Laval as a city suffer from there mayor scandal? Do think a corporation will think twice about opening an office here because our mayor is a red faced drunk?

Toronto had it's invitation to an international conference on transit withheld because of this controversy.

-Geoff

[Jenuine]

This is stupid... it's why we have elections.

When election time comes next year, if you support him then vote for him. If you don't then don't vote for him.

We all have differing opinions on him, no point on going back and forth. None of us are gonna waver on our opinions.

[Scottobot]

Ford's enough of a disgrace to make the BBC news:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24803371

Not the kind of image I'm excited about for Toronto and/or Canada.

IMO he's the biggest inarticulate buffoon in large-scale politics since Dubya. The guy's a walking caricature and is an utter embarrassment.

[CloudPump]

This is stupid... it's why we have elections.

When election time comes next year, if you support him then vote for him. If you don't then don't vote for him.

We all have differing opinions on him, no point on going back and forth. None of us are gonna waver on our opinions.

This is great... it's why we have discussions.

Before election time comes next year, we can discuss our differing opinions on how we feel about certain issues and politicitians and policies and perhaps shed new light on issues or learn a different way of thinking about something we thought we knew all about.

If your opinion on something is so firm that you can't take in new knowledge and events to allow that opinion to grow, shift or change... well that's your right, but blind faith can be dangerous.

I for one, DID vote for Rob Ford over George Smitherman. I felt he had the better plan for the city. I liked his plans to scrap the vehicle registration tax and to contract out garbage disposal amongst other things. He delivered on both of those and kudos to him. However, my personal opinion is that his actions and behaviour are not what I want in a mayor. He represents the city I live in and does so poorly. He's lost my vote in the next election. Do I still like his platforms and what he stands for politically? Mostly yes. But he is not the only option for "respect for taxpayers" he has not figured out something that no one else has. Someone else (Karen Stintz?) will run with similar platforms and presenting a better image of themselves. Maybe they'll get my vote.

-Geoff

[Jenuine]

This is great... it's why we have discussions.

Before election time comes next year, we can discuss our differing opinions on how we feel about certain issues and politicitians and policies and perhaps shed new light on issues or learn a different way of thinking about something we thought we knew all about.

If your opinion on something is so firm that you can't take in new knowledge and events to allow that opinion to grow, shift or change... well that's your right, but blind faith can be dangerous.

I for one, DID vote for Rob Ford over George Smitherman. I felt he had the better plan for the city. I liked his plans to scrap the vehicle registration tax and to contract out garbage disposal amongst other things. He delivered on both of those and kudos to him. However, my personal opinion is that his actions and behaviour are not what I want in a mayor. He represents the city I live in and does so poorly. He's lost my vote in the next election. Do I still like his platforms and what he stands for politically? Mostly yes. But he is not the only option for "respect for taxpayers" he has not figured out something that no one else has. Someone else (Karen Stintz?) will run with similar platforms and presenting a better image of themselves. Maybe they'll get my vote.

-Geoff

I don't think you understand that new "knowledge" and events won't change our minds because Rob Ford supporters look past the alleged drug use. I, for one, don't really care IF he does do drugs. If a crackhead can do a better job as a mayor than a non-crackhead, by all means. A lot of people in Toronto are in that mindset because they're tired of their tax dollars being wasted by so-called "good" politicians. The truth is, if there was an election tomorrow, he would probably be re-elected.

[Aitch]

With less than a 20% approval rating? You think he could be re-elected tomorrow?

And you really think he is the best fiscally-conservative candidate for mayor?

Now you're not talking about comparing him with the work past mayors have done. You're saying he's the best candidate?

And lastly, what type of example do you set for people (eg your kids) when you say "it's ok that the LEADER of our city is allowed to be publicly drunk, possibly a drug user, willfully ignorant of the rules of his job, because he gets some results"? That's not an answer I could give my kid.

[peterm15]

With less than a 20% approval rating?


Where did you hear that? I heard between the "scandal" and the radio show it was in and around 42ish. Up from 37ish. (Somewhere around there at least)

And without getting into this you can use "bad example" excuse for alot of politicians.
(^^^ not directed at anyone or any comment in particular)

[captobvious75]

If this was a cop, the public would be calling for his head.

If I get busted with crack, should I be prosecuted differently than the mayor? This situation is pretty black and white to me

[peterm15]

He has not been busted with crack or been charged with anything.

And it happens more then you think. Keep in mind though. They still are calling for his head.

[mathew.poulos]

If this was a cop, the public would be calling for his head.

If I get busted with crack, should I be prosecuted differently than the mayor? This situation is pretty black and white to me

There is ZERO evidence so not sure what's so black and white. Police and reporters words are now fact, and there's no need for physical evidence? That's pretty much a police state

[Jenuine]

With less than a 20% approval rating? You think he could be re-elected tomorrow?

And you really think he is the best fiscally-conservative candidate for mayor?

Now you're not talking about comparing him with the work past mayors have done. You're saying he's the best candidate?

And lastly, what type of example do you set for people (eg your kids) when you say "it's ok that the LEADER of our city is allowed to be publicly drunk, possibly a drug user, willfully ignorant of the rules of his job, because he gets some results"? That's not an answer I could give my kid.

I never said I'm okay with drug use because I'm not. No one said he's ALLOWED to be drunk in public or use drugs, like I said above, Ford is a loser. But I'm not gonna judge him as a MAYOR based off of what he does in his private life. I'm gonna judge him as a mayor based off of what he has accomplished as a mayor. Even though he's a public figure, I still believe he's ALLOWED to have a private life like the rest of us. I don't care what he does in his private time as long as it doesn't affect him doing his job (which to a lot of people, it hasn't). What other mayor has been as transparent as he has when it comes to fiscal policies? His policies make sense compared to past mayors and other candidates, and he really is trying to spend our tax money wisely.

His approval rating actually went up 5 points to about 44-45% since the news broke about a possible video of him smoking crack.

[Jenuine]

If this was a cop, the public would be calling for his head.

If I get busted with crack, should I be prosecuted differently than the mayor? This situation is pretty black and white to me

But Ford never got busted with crack. There's no real evidence lol. Unless somebody who was there saved the substance and had it tested positive for crack, how do we know what it was? Could have been weed in that glass pipe for all we know.

[loki]

But Ford never got busted with crack. There's no real evidence lol. Unless somebody who was there saved the substance and had it tested positive for crack, how do we know what it was? Could have been weed in that glass pipe for all we know.

Cuz weed is better...

[Jenuine]

Cuz weed is better...

We all know someone who smokes weed lol. I'd rather them smoke weed than crack.

[Default User]

And lastly, what type of example do you set for people (eg your kids) when you say "it's ok that the LEADER of our city is allowed to be publicly drunk, possibly a drug user, willfully ignorant of the rules of his job, because he gets some results"? That's not an answer I could give my kid.

Right on the nose.

He could have done EVERYTHING right in the publics eye from day one - keeping his dark passenger hidden from everyone. But now that it's out in the open....

[captobvious75]

There is ZERO evidence so not sure what's so black and white. Police and reporters words are now fact, and there's no need for physical evidence? That's pretty much a police state

Video evidence is evidence. Just because they haven't released what they have, doesn't mean they don't have anything. You don't waste resources like the police have if there is no opportunity for realistic evidence.

[Default User]

Video evidence is evidence. Just because they haven't released what they have, doesn't mean they don't have anything. You don't waste resources like the police have if there is no opportunity for realistic evidence.

Which is funny seeing that the chief even let the public know about the video. I guess the payoff wasn't enough LOL

[peterm15]

A few points on other levels of government in recent years.

Jack Layton.
Busted during a raid in a known rub and tug. Barely made front page news.

He gets a state funeral and a statue.


Justin trudeau. Takes thousands of dollars to speak at a charity event. Admits to smoking weed while in office (when asked)

hailed a hero. And called "the people's leader"

Rob ford cheats on his whife years ago and still cant live it down. The automatic assumption of people is to assume he is smoking crack because some pencil pushing "anonymous" reporter seen a video on an iPhone, without sound, and states its crack.

General media has done whatever they could to make his life hell. You put any other politician under the same microscope and see what they find.

[Rob23]

If you think the rest of the country gives a shit about Toronto's mayor you are mistaken, this is a funny story to the rest of Canada and will soon be forgotten. This was about 1-2 minutes on the National News last night. Small Potatoes.

Additionally, Will Laval as a city suffer from there mayor scandal? Do think a corporation will think twice about opening an office here because our mayor is a red faced drunk?

My point is everyone in Canada hates Toronto in general because it is Americanized. People are ignorant and disrespectful. They believe that Toronto is the centre of the universe. Not everyone but a lot are. Rob Ford just adds to that even more, he is as dumb and thick headed as they come.

Try going outside of Ontario, you will see.

[SirWanker]

A few points on other levels of government in recent years.

Jack Layton.
Busted during a raid in a known rub and tug. Barely made front page news.
He gets a state funeral and a statue.

Justin trudeau. Takes thousands of dollars to speak at a charity event. Admits to smoking weed while in office (when asked)
hailed a hero. And called "the people's leader"

Rob ford cheats on his whife years ago and still cant live it down. The automatic assumption of people is to assume he is smoking crack because some pencil pushing "anonymous" reporter seen a video on an iPhone, without sound, and states its crack.
General media has done whatever they could to make his life hell. You put any other politician under the same microscope and see what they find.

Problem is, Robbie makes it much too easy. How many times has that bully been caught out-right lying and only changes his tune when presented with irrefutable evidence?
RoFord has been "invited" by the Police to review said video and has declined. Gee, I wonder why?

[SirWanker]

What other mayor has been as transparent as he has when it comes to fiscal policies? His policies make sense compared to past mayors and other candidates, and he really is trying to spend our tax money wisely.


Transparent in their lack of thought. How is it wisely spent when:

An external firm was hired to find gravy. Imagine the surprise when none could be located. Better yet they suggested to reducing or eliminating services, contrary to Ford's promise.
Had a year to come up with a viable business case supporting his subway initiative of it being entirely financed by the private sector. Don't get me started on the cancellation of a fully funded LRT for a much more expensive and less accessible subway ( City Councillors were just as guilty about this subway choice too)
Giving the Police that massive pay raise?
Making the TTC an essential service which pretty much guarantees much higher wages via binding arbitration
shelving the Gardiner Expressway report when he came into power
removal of the Jarvis bike lanes at a cost that was more than double of what it took to put them there to begin with

[mathew.poulos]

Video evidence is evidence. Just because they haven't released what they have, doesn't mean they don't have anything. You don't waste resources like the police have if there is no opportunity for realistic evidence.

So you know it was crack eh? You clearly no nothing of addiction and what drugs people use as "weekend warriors"

As many others have said, a glass pipe doesn't mean crack. But in the eyes of the simple minded "OH ITS CRACK!!!!"

[mathew.poulos]

Video evidence is evidence. Just because they haven't released what they have, doesn't mean they don't have anything. You don't waste resources like the police have if there is no opportunity for realistic evidence.

They also wasted no time on ford... This was an investigation about his friend. FYI

[SirWanker]

They also wasted no time on ford... This was an investigation about his friend. FYI
Who may have been enabled by Ford to commit extortion so to retrieve/destroy said video

[Aitch]

Where did you hear that? I heard between the "scandal" and the radio show it was in and around 42ish. Up from 37ish. (Somewhere around there at least)

And without getting into this you can use "bad example" excuse for alot of politicians.
(^^^ not directed at anyone or any comment in particular)


I never said I'm okay with drug use because I'm not. No one said he's ALLOWED to be drunk in public or use drugs, like I said above, Ford is a loser. But I'm not gonna judge him as a MAYOR based off of what he does in his private life. I'm gonna judge him as a mayor based off of what he has accomplished as a mayor. Even though he's a public figure, I still believe he's ALLOWED to have a private life like the rest of us. I don't care what he does in his private time as long as it doesn't affect him doing his job (which to a lot of people, it hasn't). What other mayor has been as transparent as he has when it comes to fiscal policies? His policies make sense compared to past mayors and other candidates, and he really is trying to spend our tax money wisely.

His approval rating actually went up 5 points to about 44-45% since the news broke about a possible video of him smoking crack.

Sorry I think I was recalling a poll on Breakfast Television or somewhere else this morning where only 18% of people thought his Sunday apology was acceptable. You're right, his nearly 50% approval rating shows there are a lot of people that still think he's been a good mayor. Because that poll question is based purely on his official accomplishments, it doesn't capture what people think of him overall or whether his personal life affects his standing as mayor.

My opinion is that you can't judge a public official (ESPECIALLY the leader of whatever branch of gov't) based only on what they accomplish in office. To do such jobs effectively you have to set a good example as a human being. You are representing not just yourself but the office, all the other officials under you, and your constituents all the time you are in the public eye. A few small transgressions here and there can sometimes be excused, when you don't try and lie about the problems for months, but address the problems head on, and demonstrate you're capable of change.

In my opinion there is no excusing a blithering idiot who gets hammered on the job (public appearances after hours are still "the job"), admits to willful ignorance about his job's responsibilities, has a documented history of hanging around many other questionable characters, and acting like he's still a teenager skulking around hoping his parents don't catch him. Excuse his "personal life" all you want, to me Rob Ford has proved repeatedly that he is unfit to be mayor of the city in a stunning variety of ways.

[CloudPump]

So what I'm hearing is:

Everyone who doesn't have a problem with Rob Ford's personal issues (because he hasn't been charged/convicted of any crime in this situation) would be A-OK letting their daughter date O.J. Simpson? O.J. was found not guilty, so that means he definitely didn't have anything to do with those murders, right?

A video of someone smoking a substance out of a glass pipe has never and will never be sufficient legal grounds to lay a charge. You will never be able to prove what was in the pipe. That doesn't mean he was just smoking tobacco either. From the video alone, we'll never know.

However, public opinion is not based upon legal evidence. If it was, everyone would have said "guess we were wrong, O.J. didn't do it. Sorry O.J!" If you see a video of someone smoking a substance out of a glass pipe, in the company of people who are convicted crack users and dealers and the setting of that video is a confirmed "crack house"... it is not unreasonable to draw an inference from the situation.

Everyone here is entitled to condemn or defend the mayor, I'm all for difference of opinion. But I'll say that if I saw a video described the way this one is and it was my kid in the starring role, I wouldn't be saying "Geez Junior, I'd really like to ground you, but there isn't sufficient evidence that you've done anything wrong."

-Geoff

[mathew.poulos]

The point of the matter is you have not seen the video, no one has, other than a handful.

What if this was someone saying this about you? Would you not expect your rights as a Canadian to be upheld? Oh wait sorry, there is a video that MAY include crack so your rights are out the door...

If there was a shred against this guy they would press charges, if they don't hold up he is out of office anyways. But they have NO evidence.


Ps if ford is involved in something illegal you will be laughing at the idea of crack pipes. If there is something fishy, it goes much much deeper

[Jenuine]

Why does everybody keep bringing up their kids? Ford's mother is free to yell at him and be disappointed in him if she wants. Based on his actions outside of work, she certainly has a reason to. I'm not his mother though and I'm not related to him lol, I don't care what his personal issues are. But I do know that if I'm paying $1000 a month in taxes, I'm going to be selfish and look out for myself and want to elect a mayor who isn't going to waste my money like Dalton McGuinty, and that's really the only factor I care about at the end of the day.

[peterm15]

I didn't bother reading all of this (I will later, tired eyes right now). But it seems to me people are harping on the fact that hes lying. The only reason why its been easy is the ammount of shady investigative reporting thats been goin on around him.

Off the top of my head I cant think of one politician that didn't. Hell mcguintys entire platform was lie after lie from the first time he was elected.

[loki]

Why does everybody keep bringing up their kids? Ford's mother is free to yell at him and be disappointed in him if she wants. Based on his actions outside of work, she certainly has a reason to. I'm not his mother though and I'm not related to him lol, I don't care what his personal issues are. But I do know that if I'm paying $1000 a month in taxes, I'm going to be selfish and look out for myself and want to elect a mayor who isn't going to waste my money like Dalton McGuinty, and that's really the only factor I care about at the end of the day.

You're paying $1000 a month in property taxes?


or have you now turned this into a provincial/federal tax topic now

[Tuscani01]

Im sorry,

But Ford gets no sympathy from me. He is beyond hypocritical and does not deserve any sympathy from anyone. If this was any other city employee caught in this investigation, you can bet that Ford would be threatening the employees job in a heartbeat. Hell, he does it when an employee is caught sleeping, even though he has been caught doing the same thing.

Fact is he is mayor of Canada's largest city, and North America's fifth largest city. He cannot be held to the same standards as you or I, and should not. Even just continuing to associate with these people is inappropriate conduct for a mayor. The fact that he refuses to respond to these allegations is also quite insulting to the taxpayers in this city.

He always speaks about running the city like a business, but only when that is convenient for him. In the real world, Rob Ford would be out of a job right now. I am not allowed a drop of alcohol on company time, and we have been told that we still represent our brand on our own time and could be accountable for our actions outside of company time. You see this time and time again when people are fired over comments posted on social media, or things they have done during their own time. The only difference is Rob Ford is in a greater position of authority than me, and than most people out there. He definitely should be held by a higher standard.

[Default User]

You're paying $1000 a month in property taxes?


gaddamnit! I'm paying over 4$g's a year in property tax

[Mr Wilson]

Hey gotta pay to play and 'Casa Wilson' had some work done. Needed that extra heli-pad, installed a little IMAX for me and the Missus and you know the Infinity-edge Pool just pushed my values through the roof.

[midnightfxgt]

You're paying $1000 a month in property taxes?


or have you now turned this into a provincial/federal tax topic now

^^^ hahahhahaha

[mathew.poulos]

Im sorry,

But Ford gets no sympathy from me. He is beyond hypocritical and does not deserve any sympathy from anyone. If this was any other city employee caught in this investigation, you can bet that Ford would be threatening the employees job in a heartbeat. Hell, he does it when an employee is caught sleeping, even though he has been caught doing the same thing.

You are referring to the time that they were reading bills for 24 hours +. All councilors were taking naps.


You see this time and time again when people are fired over comments posted on social media, or things they have done during their own time. The only difference is Rob Ford is in a greater position of authority than me, and than most people out there. He definitely should be held by a higher standard.

This is a democracy you cannot just start firing public officials willy nilly on some speculations or on who he associates with. If you don't like that he drinks in public and shows up late places(which is perfectly fine not to like or encourge) wait till that wonderful thing we have called an election. Unless he is charged with something he will not be stepping down or getting fired, end of story.

[Jenuine]

You're paying $1000 a month in property taxes?


or have you now turned this into a provincial/federal tax topic now

I'm talking about provincial/federal taxes taken off my paycheck.

Regardless of what type of tax it is, tax is still tax. The whole point is I don't care what politicians do on their own time at ANY level of government as long as they're not wasting taxpayer money.

My family's property tax bill is about $4000/year and we probably pay about at least $40,000/year in income taxes, some of which obviously goes into paying for services at all levels.

And here's a breakdown of the City of Toronto's sources of revenue:

Property tax – 39%
Provincial – 24%
Other revenue – 18%
User fees – 15%
MLTT/other tax – 2%
Federal – 2%

We all pay into that at the municipal, provincial and federal level, so does it really matter what type of tax it is?

[SirWanker]

You are referring to the time that they were reading bills for 24 hours +. All councilors were taking naps.
This is a democracy you cannot just start firing public officials willy nilly on some speculations or on who he associates with. If you don't like that he drinks in public and shows up late places(which is perfectly fine not to like or encourge) wait till that wonderful thing we have called an election. Unless he is charged with something he will not be stepping down or getting fired, end of story.

Yet he had no issues with wanting to fire the city employee & supervisor over the "sleeping" issue before finding out more details about that?
Besides.....I've heard it through the grapevine that things are going to be really interesting for Ford's office by the end of today.

And now a word from our sponsor:

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[SirWanker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1dzpgLQHKM

[Fack_Dude]

Thanks to Ford he has kept the land taxes down. Living on my street it will cost you 9200 bucks on property taxes a year.

[SirWanker]

Thanks to Ford he has kept the land taxes down. Living on my street it will cost you 9200 bucks on property taxes a year.

So he froze property taxes for one year ( blowing away a surplus to do so ) and now we may be facing an increase for 30 years to pay for an ill-conceived transit plan?
Rob Ford has so far demonstrated to be

a policy improviser
arrives late for work and leaves early
in spite of being a Councillor for 10 years, he is still lacking in knowledge on how the city works ( not to mention the Code of Conduct)

[Aitch]

So he froze property taxes for one year ( blowing away a surplus to do so ) and now we may be facing an increase for 30 years to pay for an ill-conceived transit plan?
Rob Ford has so far demonstrated to be

a policy improviser
arrives late for work and leaves early
in spite of being a Councillor for 10 years, he is still lacking in knowledge on how the city works ( not to mention the Code of Conduct)




But LOW TAXEZ!!! FORD FOR MAYER!!!!

[Default User]

But LOW TAXEZ!!! FORD FOR MAYER!!!!

lol - he got my vote when he promised to end the $60 licensing tax

[Fack_Dude]

Ill vote for him again.

[SirWanker]

Ill vote for him again.

That is what democracy is all about. Vote for Hudak while you're at it.

[pwdunmore]

Politics is dumb (process is too long, always dragged out, zero cooperation from opposing parties, no invested interest, so many lies its impossible to see whats true)... the system is broken... voting in this outdated society is pointless...

1. The first rule of fight club don't talk about fight club

Everyone needs to stop voting...

I'm tired of all these generation "X" crap (all the topics discussed above) because they don't matter... who are now the majority and have been programmed to accept things at face value. Some of them have some merit but I have had enough of this crap... Guess it's time for an uprising.

The OP had it right... we knew this crap already... who cares?!?!?!?!?!?!? You people care way too much about something that is broken... why the hell don't you fix it

[mathew.poulos]

Politics is dumb (process is too long, always dragged out, zero cooperation from opposing parties, no invested interest, so many lies its impossible to see whats true)... the system is broken... voting in this outdated society is pointless...

1. The first rule of fight club don't talk about fight club

Everyone needs to stop voting...

I'm tired of all these generation "X" crap (all the topics discussed above) because they don't matter... who are now the majority and have been programmed to accept things at face value. Some of them have some merit but I have had enough of this crap... Guess it's time for an uprising.

The OP had it right... Who cares?!?!?!?!?!?!? You people care way too much about something that is broken... why the hell don't you fix it

What is your suggestion? No elections for public officials?

And Rob Fords the one on crack:facepalm

[pwdunmore]

What is your suggestion? No elections for public officials?

And Rob Fords the one on crack:facepalm

Why vote in a broken outdated system... you have to elect officials... what is this anarchy...

Stop being stupid and read between the lines.

My suggestion:
Healthy card # Voting system (tracks/verifies who has voted)
Register Online (no voting stands, easier to vote)
Choose where your tax money goes (have to give certain amount to each category but options to move funds to other categories like schools, transit, infrastructure)
Track government accounts online
100% transparent politcian system, $$$ and voting
High Level Politians need to be successful business people, not salaried full time employees
Localized goverments not grouping people together in the millions... large populations create diffusion of responsibility
Laws are passed by the people... not some government that thinks what they know is best for it's people (online voting)

But thats too complicated for most people to understand

Thanks mathew.poulos hopefully you get what I mean...

[mathew.poulos]

Why vote in a broken outdated system... you have to elect officials... what is this anarchy...

Stop being stupid and read between the lines.

My suggestion:
Healthy card # Voting system (tracks/verifies who has voted)
Register Online (no voting stands, easier to vote)
Choose where your tax money goes (have to give certain amount to each category but options to move funds to other categories like schools, transit, infrastructure)
Track government accounts online
100% transparent politcian system, $$$ and voting
High Level Politians need to be successful business people, not salaried full time employees
Localized goverments not grouping people together in the millions... large populations create diffusion of responsibility
Laws are passed by the people... not some government that thinks what they know is best for it's people (online voting)

But thats too complicated for most people to understand

Thanks mathew.poulos hopefully you get what I mean...

Thats not what you said below.

Maybe let people know your points instead of going off on pointless rants with no real substance to it - only to call people who dont agree "Stupid" or claim "its to complicated for them"


Politics is dumb (process is too long, always dragged out, zero cooperation from opposing parties, no invested interest, so many lies its impossible to see whats true)... the system is broken... voting in this outdated society is pointless...

1. The first rule of fight club don't talk about fight club

Everyone needs to stop voting...

I'm tired of all these generation "X" crap (all the topics discussed above) because they don't matter... who are now the majority and have been programmed to accept things at face value. Some of them have some merit but I have had enough of this crap... Guess it's time for an uprising.

The OP had it right... we knew this crap already... who cares?!?!?!?!?!?!? You people care way too much about something that is broken... why the hell don't you fix it


Maybe you chose your words poorly or maybe I am to uneducated to understand

[pwdunmore]

Thats not what you said below.

Maybe let people know your points instead of going off on pointless rants with no real substance to it - only to call people who dont agree "Stupid" or claim "its to complicated for them"




Maybe you chose your words poorly or maybe I am to uneducated to understand

First thing about the internet... sarcasm... second thing, people who see it different are stupid. It's like just like people who avoid the internet, don't have a cell phone, vote with this old system, drive the same speed as traffic in the left lane, people who open don't open doors, people put their heads down to avoid eye contact?!?!?

Really what do you expect?! of course our mayer did crack... but did he steal?!?!? did he kill?!?!?! did he do some misdeeds(with his power as mayer)?!?!? (if he did then he should be held accountable)

I care about morals and etiquette of society, so stop acting like you're happy with the way things are because a lot of people just accept things at face value when their is a better way.

You really care so much about your precious goverment and laws that keeps money in the rich peoples hands (even giving it them in some cases) while ticketing and silencing + releasing private information of it's citizens?!?!? GTFO...

from my previous post:
"voting in this outdated society" - means I would not vote in this system but an updated system I would vote in

Levels of thinking:
Lowest = People
Middle = Places and things
Highest = Ideas

Remember, remember the 5th of November...

[JonsMazda]

Can someone setup a Voting Poll?

[Aitch]

Breaking - Rob Ford just admitted that he did smoke crack cocaine. He also admitted he doesn't remember when because he was so hammered at the time (but that it was approximately a year ago). I guess all those hangovers kinda blend together too then.

Just watched his statement live on CTV News website.

[mathew.poulos]

Breaking - Rob Ford just admitted that he did smoke crack cocaine. He also admitted he doesn't remember when because he was so hammered at the time (but that it was approximately a year ago). I guess all those hangovers kinda blend together too then.

Just watched his statement live on CTV News website.

If that's the case then now it's time for him to step down. Proof has been presented so now we can actually give options.

If he admited it his time is over. My whole argue ment was that we convicted him before we had proof

[captobvious75]

So you know it was crack eh? You clearly no nothing of addiction and what drugs people use as "weekend warriors"

As many others have said, a glass pipe doesn't mean crack. But in the eyes of the simple minded "OH ITS CRACK!!!!"

Ford just admitted its crack. I guess the "simple minded" were correct

[geobur]

If that's the case then now it's time for him to step down. Proof has been presented so now we can actually give options.

If he admited it his time is over. My whole argue ment was that we convicted him before we had proof

agreed...I am highly disappoint...I held him in high regard (I still do to an extent) But until there was evidence I believed him because I thought he was trustworthy.

Even if the video came out I would be skeptical about it's timing, however he has admitted to it and as such there isn't much skirting around the issue.
my only concern is I hope he isn't "confessing" something that isn't true due to media, and public pressure for him to do so.

However seeing as he has admitted to this, even though everyone makes mistakes, I don't feel he will be able to continue his role as Mayor successfully, even if it doesn't affect his job as mayor, there will just be too many things getting in the way of his job...and unfortunately Toronto will have to make a decision on someone else who can hopefully live up to the task.

[mathew.poulos]

Ford just admitted its crack. I guess the "simple minded" were correct

Did you hear the statement? It's really oddly worded... Putting that out there

I will admit

I was wrong as of right now, but we need to let the system run it's coarse. That's what's happened here

[Aitch]

...
my only concern is I hope he isn't "confessing" something that isn't true due to media, and public pressure for him to do so..

Sorry but really would you confess to something like this, essentially committing political suicide, just because of media and public pressure if it wasn't true?

[midnightfxgt]

Who cares if he smoked crack, or cheated on his wife, or murdered a hooker, or lied to all his constituents, or got hammered while at work events?

/sarcasm

[midnightfxgt]

Sorry but really would you confess to something like this, essentially committing political suicide, just because of media and public pressure if it wasn't true?

Especially after fighting and lying about it since May?! Naw.

[geobur]

Sorry but really would you confess to something like this, essentially committing political suicide, just because of media and public pressure if it wasn't true?

Probably not...but if this were me and all the media bullshit he has gone through I would have said **** it a year ago...so maybe that's what he is saying...**** Toronto, I am going to continue running my business and go retire my ass on some beach house and drink all I want to...

If I were a successful business owner with a lot of money...ya at this point I probably would because I would have given up...so I don't know

[pwdunmore]

Who cares if he smoked crack, or cheated on his wife, or murdered a hooker, or lied to all his constituents, or got hammered while at work events?

/sarcasm

So everyone who has done one of those is a bad person? /sarcasm midnightfxgt

You guys still neglect to see both sides... I am not siding with Ford but you guys really need to take a step back sometimes...

+1 for geobur ^^^^^

[Default User]

BREAKING NE.....nevermind

(see thread title)

[midnightfxgt]

Probably not...but if this were me and all the media bullshit he has gone through I would have said **** it a year ago...so maybe that's what he is saying...**** Toronto, I am going to continue running my business and go retire my ass on some beach house and drink all I want to...

If I were a successful business owner with a lot of money...ya at this point I probably would because I would have given up...so I don't know

Someone with that attitude wouldn't run for mayor of the largest city in the country.

[midnightfxgt]

So everyone who has done one of those is a bad person? /sarcasm @midnightfxgt (http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/member.php?u=1974)

You guys still neglect to see both sides... I am not siding with Ford but you guys really need to take a step back sometimes...

Minus the killing a hooker, he has done them all. Is someone who commited all this, AND MORE fit to run a city of this size? Hell No.

[geobur]

Someone with that attitude wouldn't run for mayor of the largest city in the country.

ya but a couple years ago he probably thought he could make a difference (in fact he has several influences encouraging him to run) before he knew he would be met with all the political crap and lawsuits, and accusations that he has had to face non stop from day one...(if he was thinking it was just going to be a Mayoral job like pretty much every past mayor he thought he could do it)

I mean really...if you were thinking of running for mayor, and someone told you that you would have to put up with the shit he did...would you in your right mind actually run for Mayor?

[Dave_The_BMXER]

Mind blown.

He basically said he got so drunk he smoked rocks and forgot about it.

Least the sauga mayor is an old drunk.

[Aitch]

So everyone who has done one of those is a bad person? /sarcasm @midnightfxgt (http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/member.php?u=1974)

You guys still neglect to see both sides... I am not siding with Ford but you guys really need to take a step back sometimes...

+1 for geobur ^^^^^

I see the other side. I can understand how people believe that a politician's personal life shouldn't matter when judging the job they do. In some cases I might agree. With respect to Rob Ford, not only are a lot of his actions inexcusable for the leader of our city, they also have affected his ability to do his job - both by being drunk at public appearances, and by the controversies that completely overshadow any attempt to do real work or show real leadership at City Hall.

[midnightfxgt]

I see the other side. I can understand how people believe that a politician's personal life shouldn't matter when judging the job they do. In some cases I might agree. With respect to Rob Ford, not only are a lot of his actions inexcusable for the leader of our city, they also have affected his ability to do his job - both by being drunk at public appearances, and by the controversies that completely overshadow any attempt to do real work or show real leadership at City Hall.

Aitch gets it....

Has he done some good things in office? Sure. Has he done some bad things in office. Sure.

However, these aren't small personal issues. They are very public ones that have shown he is not a trustworthy person, nor a law abiding one.

[geobur]

Aitch gets it....

Has he done some good things in office? Sure. Has he done some bad things in office. Sure.

However, these aren't small personal issues. They are very public ones that have shown he is not a trustworthy person, nor a law abiding one.

Agreed^^

[pwdunmore]

Minus the killing a hooker, he has done them all. Is someone who commited all this, AND MORE fit to run a city of this size? Hell No.

Arnold was a govenor and never got caught... lmao... your point?

People with dark back grounds and life experience sometimes make the best leaders... but in this case it may be different

[geobur]

also sucks for his brother Doug that Rob has basically single handedly killed his brother's political career as well.

[Aitch]

also sucks for his brother Doug that Rob has basically single handedly killed his brother's political career as well.

Doug Ford killed his own career. He could have just thrown up his hands and said "**** IT! You're on your own". Instead he calls for the police chief to step down LOL. Doug is the attack dog and he can't help himself any more than Ford can resist booze and drugs.

[midnightfxgt]

Arnold was a govenor and never got caught... lmao... your point?

People with dark back grounds and life experience sometimes make the best leaders... but in this case it may be different

This isn't in his past. It's while employed in office:

- Smokes Crack
- Shows up Late
- Goes home Early
- Sleeps while there ocassionally
- Drunk at public events
- Associates with known criminals regularily
- Pleads ignorance on the rules (football charity thing)

If this is a good leader for you, mark your ballot next election. I hope most people wont.

[pwdunmore]

Lieing and cheating are a cowards way out, basically self preservation when both of these actions occur... he knows he is going down

The breaking the law part with smoking crack is not important... and I don't know why sooo many people get hung up on it.

Yes it's bad for your health and is extrememly addictive so bad for your wallet... why the hell does it matter to you?!?!? His party attitude is what is affecting his work not the breaking the law part. If that law didn't exist no one would be offended by him breaking it... everyone is biased towards him breaking the "law".

If the next mayor is caught smoking weed what will happen?

[The Wolf]

this "scandal" has more holes than swiss cheese, but most people won't get it.... especially if your not from this city and don't understand how things work here
Oh how I wish I understood how things work in Toronto.

[geobur]

Doug Ford killed his own career. He could have just thrown up his hands and said "**** IT! You're on your own". Instead he calls for the police chief to step down LOL. Doug is the attack dog and he can't help himself any more than Ford can resist booze and drugs.

you wouldn't defend your brother? Espeically if you didn't know he had smoked crack? I am pretty sure based on some of the footage I have seen of Doug recently he was very surprised to hear that a video showed up...probably because he believed Rob's lies

[midnightfxgt]

Read the post. People aren't so upset with JUST the crack use. Its the constant lies, etc.

It's the whole package that is Rob Ford. Also - Weed /= Crack. I know they are both "illegal" but most wont care if someone smokes weed, vs Crack.

[pwdunmore]

This isn't in his past. It's while employed in office:

- Smokes Crack
- Shows up Late
- Goes home Early
- Sleeps while there ocassionally
- Drunk at public events
- Associates with known criminals regularily
- Pleads ignorance on the rules (football charity thing)

If this is a good leader for you, mark your ballot next election. I hope most people wont.

I said I don't vote in a broken system... I show up late and leave early plus assiociate with "criminals"... plus get 60% of the work done for my project team, get a grip.

Mind you I don't smoke crack, get stupid wasted at public events and plead ignorance when helping a underfunded sports team so I guess I will never amount to anything.

[peterm15]

Ive been keeping my judgements in middle ground until some actual proof came out. Now that it is. Although I supoort his policies it is time for him to step down.

Anyone who consumes an illigeal substance while in office should. Including trudeau.

[geobur]

Ive been keeping my judgements in middle ground until some actual proof came out. Now that it is. Although I supoort his policies it is time for him to step down.

Anyone who consumes an illigeal substance while in office should. Including trudeau.

+1

[mathew.poulos]

I said I don't vote in a broken system... I show up late and leave early plus assiociate with "criminals"... plus get 60% of the work done for my project team, get a grip.

Mind you I don't smoke crack, get stupid wasted at public events and plead ignorance when helping a underfunded sports team so I guess I will never amount to anything.

At the end of the day it really doesnt matter if you agree. The only way to make changes is to have new people come into office. If you dont want another Rob Ford as mayor, maybe you should think about voting.

[Aitch]

The breaking the law part with smoking crack is not important... and I don't know why sooo many people get hung up on it.

Because he's breaking the law. And it's a hard drug, and he admitted he was too drunk to even know what he was doing (a horribly bad excuse BTW).


Yes it's bad for your health and is extrememly addictive so bad for your wallet... why the hell does it matter to you?!?!? His party attitude is what is affecting his work not the breaking the law part. If that law didn't exist no one would be offended by him breaking it... everyone is biased towards him breaking the "law".

If the next mayor is caught smoking weed what will happen?

You can't really use the "it's only bad because it's illegal" line because a majority of people believe that hard drugs such as crack, heroin, etc. are not acceptible substances to use. You can use that argument with weed given where society's views of that drug are.

I suspect that after this I will simply facepalm to your responses instead of bothering to write anything.


you wouldn't defend your brother? Espeically if you didn't know he had smoked crack? I am pretty sure based on some of the footage I have seen of Doug recently he was very surprised to hear that a video showed up...probably because he believed Rob's lies

I don't believe that Doug has had the wool pulled over his eyes. I'm reasonably certain that he would have at least suspected there was truth behind all of this. Don't forget the Globe & Mail's story about all his drug dealing activity in the 80s. This guy is not wet behind the ears.

[SirWanker]

I said I don't vote in a broken system... I show up late and leave early plus assiociate with "criminals"... plus get 60% of the work done for my project team, get a grip.
Mind you I don't smoke crack, get stupid wasted at public events and plead ignorance when helping a underfunded sports team so I guess I will never amount to anything.

Then you have absolutely no right to criticize what has been happening.

[geobur]

I don't believe that Doug has had the wool pulled over his eyes. I'm reasonably certain that he would have at least suspected there was truth behind all of this. Don't forget the Globe & Mail's story about all his drug dealing activity in the 80s. This guy is not wet behind the ears.

No I agree, but nor do I think Rob has been entirely honest with his brother, he may have been telling him half truths...you notice how Doug was almost always the first to defend Rob against stuff, until they announced that police had a video supposedly showing Rob smoking crack? He was silent probably because Rob had told Doug that no such video existed and that it was a lie.

To me he seemed pretty shocked at the press release.

I know for me I would believe my brother (I don't have one I only have a sister) over stuff other people were saying mainly on principle...I would stand by him to the bitter end...and this was it...and unfortunately he has probably taken his brother with him.

But hey what are family for? :p

[pwdunmore]

Because he's breaking the law. And it's a hard drug, and he admitted he was too drunk to even know what he was doing (a horribly bad excuse BTW).

You can't really use the "it's only bad because it's illegal" line because a majority of people believe that hard drugs such as crack, heroin, etc. are not acceptible substances to use. You can use that argument with weed given where society's views of that drug are.

I suspect that after this I will simply facepalm to your responses instead of bothering to write anything.

The a majority of people believe the world is 6000 years old and humans lived with the dinosaurs... but who are you to decide what someone else can and cannot do with their own body

We all break the law... its the laws he choose break that are in a different boundary.
Stop taking the crack and breaking the "law" into your judgement, I agree with you that it's a hard drug and it is not acceptable.

It goes much further beyond that though... his attitude and mind set of being Mayor... He should be setting an example not being a douche

[pwdunmore]

Then you have absolutely no right to criticize what has been happening.

Why?

If I vote I contribute to the broken system? Your argument is invalid.

Please enlighten me on how I am to help with this broken system

[midnightfxgt]

Why?

If I vote I contribute to the broken system? Your argument is invalid.

Please enlighten me on how I am to help with this broken system

You should continue to do nothing. That will probably fix everything you want :)

[geobur]

The a majority of people believe the world is 6000 years old and humans lived with the dinosaurs... but who are you to decide what someone else can and cannot do with their own body

We all break the law... its the laws he choose break that are in a different boundary.
Stop taking the crack and breaking the "law" into your judgement, I agree with you that it's a hard drug and it is not acceptable.

It goes much further beyond that though... his attitude and mind set of being Mayor... He should be setting an example not being an douche

...I...I don't know how to reply to this

It isn't our judgement, "laws" are in place because we as a society have deemed them unsuitable...not because one person is judgmental about it.

If laws become outdated "we as a society" make a decision to change them...Breaking the law is breaking the law, no matter what way you look at it. It is people and human nature to then break them into different levels of law and justify the ones we break...it doesn't change how illegal they are.

[Aitch]

The a majority of people believe the world is 6000 years old and humans lived with the dinosaurs...

Nope:


59% of Canadians believe that humans evolved from less advanced life forms, but 42% agree that humans and dinosaurs co-existed on earth. Only 22% believe that God created human beings in their present form within the last 10,000 years. via Angus Reid (http://www.angusreidglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/archived-pdf/ARS_Evo_Cre.pdf) and Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution#Canada).



but who are you to decide what someone else can and cannot do with their own body

I don't decide. But I believe in a representative government that decides what things are illegal. When I disagree with those decisions I voice my disapproval by voting. I'm ok with this system.


We all break the law... its the laws he choose break that are in a different boundary.
Stop taking the crack and breaking the "law" into your judgement, I agree with you that it's a hard drug and it is not acceptable.[

Now I'm confused. I shouldn't (negatively) judge his actions, even though you find them unacceptable?


It goes much further beyond that though... his attitude and mind set of being Mayor... He should be setting an example not being a douche

So we do agree? *mindblown*

[geobur]

So we do agree? *mindblown*

LOL

[pwdunmore]

So we do agree? *mindblown*

lol I said I agreed with you guys about him stepping down a while ago (for his attitude, not the crack)... I just don't understand why you guys find the current representative system so appealing... Our population is waaaaaay too large for it work effectively.

Maybe back in the day when it was put in place it worked but Toronto is too big now... and needs to be reorganized

It's stupid lol... It needs to change and re-electing someone else in the same system is gonna be repeat of a crap show without the crack...


I said world... not Canadians... just saying :P

59% of Canadians believe that humans evolved from less advanced life forms, but 42% agree that humans and dinosaurs co-existed on earth. Only 22% believe that God created human beings in their present form within the last 10,000 years.

[S.F.W.]

It is now official, Rob Ford has admitted to smoking crack. But it was "in a drunken stupors" so it's ok. Oh, and he did not previously lie about using crack, he was just never asked the right question.
One time use of crack...right..and only a year ago. Nothing for people to be concerned about.

[Scottobot]

He's the top news story on BBC News and CNN.

[S.F.W.]

He's the top news story on BBC News.
and CNN

[pwdunmore]

One time use of crack...right..and only a year ago.

Lmao... one time...one year ago... suuuuuuurrreee

[greffer31]

A Rob Ford reality show is a necessity

[SirWanker]

lol I said I agreed with you guys about him stepping down a while ago (for his attitude, not the crack)... I just don't understand why you guys find the current representative system so appealing... Our population is waaaaaay too large for it work effectively.

Maybe back in the day when it was put in place it worked but Toronto is too big now... and needs to be reorganized

It's stupid lol... It needs to change and re-electing someone else in the same system is gonna be repeat of a crap show without the crack...


Well you can thank Mike Harris and his NeoCon pals for that bit of political restructuring.
De-amalgamation of the existing GTA sounds damn good, except I would be stuck with one of the Ford twits...........

[midnightfxgt]

City Hall is expecting protesters and will go in to Lockdown within the hour if necessary LOL

[pwdunmore]

Well you can thank Mike Harris and his NeoCon pals for that bit of political restructuring.
De-amalgamation of the existing GTA sounds damn good, except I would be stuck with one of the Ford twits...........

Well that sucks... I want to be involved in government but I doubt I would have much of a following :P I am way to progressive for this town! lmao...

[SirWanker]

City Hall is expecting protesters and will go in to Lockdown within the hour if necessary LOL

Waste of time and resources....Ford has left the building ( if past behaviors are repeated)

[Aitch]

It is now official, Rob Ford has admitted to smoking crack. But it was "in a drunken stupors" so it's ok. Oh, and he did not previously lie about using crack, he was just never asked the right question.
One time use of crack...right..and only a year ago. Nothing for people to be concerned about.

Except that he previously did state he did not smoke crack. So he did lie.

Maybe he's drunk right now and that's why he couldn't remember what he said before?

[SirWanker]

Well that sucks... I want to be involved in government but I doubt I would have much of a following :P I am way to progressive for this town! lmao...

heh...give it a shot. If Robbie can do it.....just joking!

[mathew.poulos]

Why?

If I vote I contribute to the broken system? Your argument is invalid.

Please enlighten me on how I am to help with this broken system

How is HIS argument invalid. You admit to passing judgment but not working for a better solution. :facepalm

Voting is the only way we can change this. That is how it works you will have to deal with that.

[Scottobot]

Except that he previously did state he did not smoke crack. So he did lie.

Actually I think he said "I do not use crack cocaine" (as if to imply routinely or habitually). Whenever someone asked if he had ever smoked it he ran away.

[Aitch]

lol I said I agreed with you guys about him stepping down a while ago (for his attitude, not the crack)... I just don't understand why you guys find the current representative system so appealing... Our population is waaaaaay too large for it work effectively.

Maybe back in the day when it was put in place it worked but Toronto is too big now... and needs to be reorganized

As was stated, if we went back to pre-amalgamation boundaries we might have a bit better setup..... where the suburbs aren't electing a mayor who doesn't understand a thing about how downtown really works. Which speaks to your point below, but now we're getting way off topic....


It's stupid lol... It needs to change and re-electing someone else in the same system is gonna be repeat of a crap show without the crack...

Finally,

I said world... not Canadians... just saying :P

It doesn't really matter what the world as a whole thinks. We were talking about Canadian laws and societal acceptance so it's irrelevant what the world at large believes on either topic.

Ok I'll try to take off my argumentative ass hat now.

[Aitch]

Actually I think he said "I do not use crack cocaine" (as if to imply routinely or habitually). Whenever someone asked if he had ever smoked it he ran away.

Yeah and Clinton didn't have sexual relations with that woman. Unless you define BJs as sexual relations.

[geobur]

A Rob Ford reality show is a necessity

Maybe he is the hero Toronto deserves, but not the hero they need right now :P

so he will step down, because he can take it

We'll hunt him. We'll condemn him. Set the dogs on him. Because that's what needs to happen.
Because sometimes the truth isn't good enough, sometimes people deserve more, sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded

:P

[CloudPump]

I think the more interesting question is:

WHY did Rob Ford suddenly admit that he did in fact use crack?

There are still over 500 pages of the police reports pertaining to Project Traveler & Project Brazen 2 as well as another video (not described by the media) with Mayor Ford in it.

I wonder if he knows or just thinks that in the still to be released information there is further proof and he's just trying to get ahead of it. It's quite an about-face in 24hrs.

-Geoff

[mathew.poulos]

I think the more interesting question is:

WHY did Rob Ford suddenly admit that he did in fact use crack?

There are still over 500 pages of the police reports pertaining to Project Traveler & Project Brazen 2 as well as another video (not described by the media) with Mayor Ford in it.

I wonder if he knows or just thinks that in the still to be released information there is further proof and he's just trying to get ahead of it. It's quite an about-face in 24hrs.

-Geoff

This^^^

is why i said this.... I think this is going to be an interesting few weeks.



Ps if ford is involved in something illegal you will be laughing at the idea of crack pipes. If there is something fishy, it goes much much deeper

[greffer31]

anyone else been following the news on this whole rob ford business on 102.1 The Edge? I piss my pants at deans rob ford impersonation:pofl

[Aitch]

I think the more interesting question is:

WHY did Rob Ford suddenly admit that he did in fact use crack?

There are still over 500 pages of the police reports pertaining to Project Traveler & Project Brazen 2 as well as another video (not described by the media) with Mayor Ford in it.

I wonder if he knows or just thinks that in the still to be released information there is further proof and he's just trying to get ahead of it. It's quite an about-face in 24hrs.

-Geoff

Because somebody finally gave him some good advice AND he listened to it. Admitting to it and apologizing was the only rational move left at this point. He made the first step on Sunday on the radio. His only alternative was to continue to deny smoking anything on the video but with his loud calls for it to be released it could also quickly have blown up in his face.

He'll be relying heavily on the fact he owned up to it and apologized in the days to come. I'll be awaiting some evidence he was tied to the extortion efforts of Lisi (obviously they would be circumstantial otherwise he would have also been charged already).

[Scottobot]

anyone else been following the news on this whole rob ford business on 102.1 The Edge? I piss my pants at deans rob ford impersonation:pofl

Yup. :)

[pwdunmore]

Ok I'll try to take off my argumentative ass hat now.

Thanks for the healthy banter :) Aitch

I don't mind arguing with someone that googles his stuff :P

[pwdunmore]

How is HIS argument invalid. You admit to passing judgment but not working for a better solution. :facepalm

Voting is the only way we can change this. That is how it works you will have to deal with that.

So I vote in a broken system?!?!?!? you guys are on more crack than Ford...

That makes no sense... it's like playing a rigged game and expecting to win?!?!? let me guess you buy lottery tickets?

[Aitch]

So I vote in a broken system?!?!?!? you guys are on more crack than Ford...

That makes no sense... it's like playing a rigged game and expecting to win?!?!? let me guess you buy lottery tickets?

When the alternative is not voting and expecting things to change...... then yes, I'd say voting is the best choice.

Alternatively you can pick up a pitchfork and head down to City Hall demanding change......

[pwdunmore]

When the alternative is not voting and expecting things to change...... then yes, I'd say voting is the best choice.

Alternatively you can pick up a pitchfork and head down to City Hall demanding change......

If the majority of people didn't vote there would be a reform... but that's just my way of thinking.

I don't prescribe to that way of thinking Aitch, with voting or pitch forking.

The only way to change things is from the inside so both of those ideas are outside ones unfortunately.

[brucewayne]

Maybe he is the hero Toronto deserves, but not the hero they need right now :P

so he will step down, because he can take it

We'll hunt him. We'll condemn him. Set the dogs on him. Because that's what needs to happen.
Because sometimes the truth isn't good enough, sometimes people deserve more, sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded

:P

;)

[greffer31]

my vote is that he chokes on a pork rind before he has a chance to either quite or get fired

[SirWanker]

If the majority of people didn't vote there would be a reform... but that's just my way of thinking.
I don't prescribe to that way of thinking @Aitch (http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/member.php?u=2301), with voting or pitch forking.
The only way to change things is from the inside so both of those ideas are outside ones unfortunately.

Jeez, that is how Ford became mayor in the first place.

[mathew.poulos]

So I vote in a broken system?!?!?!? you guys are on more crack than Ford...

That makes no sense... it's like playing a rigged game and expecting to win?!?!? let me guess you buy lottery tickets?

The idiot tax.. not a chance


But as was already said, you cant do nothing and expect change, and actually the majority of people DONT vote, that is why the government never changes, its always the same asshats voting. If more people voted for people they believed in maybe you would see the change you wanted.

[midnightfxgt]

Not partaking in the system because it's flawed, and not doing a single thing to change that is..... well, flawed.

[Aitch]

If the majority of people didn't vote there would be a reform... but that's just my way of thinking.

I don't prescribe to that way of thinking @Aitch (http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/member.php?u=2301), with voting or pitch forking.

The only way to change things is from the inside so both of those ideas are outside ones unfortunately.

Prior to 2010 the GTA mayoral elections both had woeful turnouts..... 38 and 39% of eligible voters, respectively (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-voter-turnout-hits-53-2-1.884395). That didn't lead to any reform.

The only thing that changed was people decided to actually vote to have their opinions counted.

For non-voting to actually lead to reform, you'd have to have extremely low voting percentages, for a long time, and/or lots of active protests to drive any change. Otherwise it just looks like voter apathy and politicians will continue to chase votes of the people who are voting (so they can stay in power) while trying to re-engage the non-voters.

If I wanted to be really crude I'd compare the policy of not voting, while not protesting for change but expecting it, to sitting around on your couch with your pants off thinking "why the hell won't anyone give me a hand job?" :P

[bukjoe]

Mayor Rob Ford is almost as a good Mayor as Diamond Joe Quimby ..... ALMOST.... but he is pretty close...

[peterm15]

If I wanted to be really crude I'd compare the policy of not voting, while not protesting for change but expecting it, to sitting around on your couch with your pants off thinking "why the hell won't anyone give me a hand job?" :P

Bahahahahaha. The best comparison ever. You are a genius my friend. Pure genius!!!

[Aitch]

Mayor Rob Ford is almost as a good Mayor as Diamond Joe Quimby ..... ALMOST.... but he is pretty close...

Lack of quality arm candy is what seals it against Ford.

[geobur]

my vote is that he chokes on a pork rind before he has a chance to either quite or get fired

That's kinda harsh and over the top guy... It's not like he is some monster child molester rapist. He is still a human being with a family... I'm sure you aren't perfect either

[mathew.poulos]

Mayor Rob Ford is almost as a good Mayor as Diamond Joe Quimby ..... ALMOST.... but he is pretty close...

kiss 92.5?

They are playing Who Said It? Mayor Ford or Mayor Quimby

[CloudPump]

So just coming out now:

Rob Ford's office hired a hacker to destroy the crack tape...

This is just getting fun.

-Geoff

[FoXy]

Yeah and Clinton didn't have sexual relations with that woman. Unless you define BJs as sexual relations.

I died just now lol


When the alternative is not voting and expecting things to change...... then yes, I'd say voting is the best choice.

Alternatively you can pick up a pitchfork and head down to City Hall demanding change......

I think he should do this ^^^



If I wanted to be really crude I'd compare the policy of not voting, while not protesting for change but expecting it, to sitting around on your couch with your pants off thinking "why the hell won't anyone give me a hand job?" :P


winning

[FoXy]

Lack of quality arm candy is what seals it against Ford.


Looking at him literally disgusts me. Who WOULD sleep with that?

Oh ya... hookers.


:pop

[pwdunmore]

I fail to see the benefits of participating in a flawed system, I refuse to participate because it is flawed.

Not participating means I am not heard and if I do participate I am not heard... If you guys actually care about changing something, why not show that it isn't working.

Insanity is doing the same thing twice and expecting different results... sometimes you need to think about what you say.
And sitting around doing nothing is what I do best! So why should I give up my spare time and enjoyment lol...

I am losing my faith in society and will continue to because people think doing the same crap will yield different results...

[yearoftherat]

Looking at him literally disgusts me. Who WOULD sleep with that?

Oh ya... hookers.


:pop


HAHAHAHAH....they would have to roll him in flour to find the wet spot...lol

[Aitch]

I fail to see the benefits of participating in a flawed system, I refuse to participate because it is flawed.

Not participating means I am not heard and if I do participate I am not heard... If you guys actually care about changing something, why not show that it isn't working.

Insanity is doing the same thing twice and expecting different results... sometimes you need to think about what you say.
And sitting around doing nothing is what I do best! So why should I give up my spare time and enjoyment lol...

I am losing my faith in society and will continue to because people think doing the same crap will yield different results...

I'm losing faith in a society where people expect that doing nothing will magically result in the change that they desire.....

If you've seen Russel Brand's latest rant, he advocates for some of the same things as you; namely, not participating in what he perceives to be a flawed system. Yet he also gets that you have to advocate for what you want to change at the same time.

[Aitch]

HAHAHAHAH....they would have to roll him in flour to find the wet spot...lol

Are you saying Rob Ford has a vagina? I find that offensive, sir, and will thank you to clean up your language.

[captobvious75]

Another Rob Ford announcement coming in 10 minutes! Oooooo the excitement

[Scottobot]

HAHAHAHAH....they would have to roll him in flour to find the wet spot...lol

That wouldn't work.. he's sweaty all over.

[pwdunmore]

I'm losing faith in a society where people expect that doing nothing will magically result in the change that they desire.....

If you've seen Russel Brand's latest rant, he advocates for some of the same things as you; namely, not participating in what he perceives to be a flawed system. Yet he also gets that you have to advocate for what you want to change at the same time.

Doing nothing gets nothing done, not participating in a flawed system means I don't vote it doesn't mean I am doing nothing :)

Changing minds and shaping youth does a lot more to change things then wasting my time ticking a box and someone counting it.

I will look into the Russel Brand rant, thanks for the info.

Train by day, Joe Rogan by night.

[geobur]

I fail to see the benefits of participating in a flawed system, I refuse to participate because it is flawed.

Not participating means I am not heard and if I do participate I am not heard... If you guys actually care about changing something, why not show that it isn't working.

Insanity is doing the same thing twice and expecting different results... sometimes you need to think about what you say.
And sitting around doing nothing is what I do best! So why should I give up my spare time and enjoyment lol...

I am losing my faith in society and will continue to because people think doing the same crap will yield different results...

you aren't taking into account variables...I can drop 10 pennies from the top of the CN Tower and the only constant is that it will fall...

I can vote 10 times and the only constant is someone will get elected...who that ends up being is influenced by me, and by anyone else who votes...it is influenced a tiny bit...

If I didn't drop the penny it wouldn't fall and I wouldn't see the different places it fell...

like if no one votes no one gets elected and nothing changes...

[Aitch]

Another Rob Ford announcement coming in 10 minutes! Oooooo the excitement

10 minutes? But I'll be on the subway then!

Populate this thread with updates for me kiddos.

[geobur]

10 minutes? But I'll be on the subway then!

Populate this thread with updates for me kiddos.

but you won't have service in the Tunnels :P

[brucewayne]

Doing nothing gets nothing done, not participating in a flawed system means I don't vote it doesn't mean I am doing nothing :)

Changing minds and shaping youth does a lot more to change things then wasting my time ticking a box and someone counting it.

I will look into the Russel Brand rant, thanks for the info.

Train by day, Joe Rogan by night.

i believe the correct saying is "Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night" just to clarify ahem :P

[pwdunmore]

you aren't taking into account variables...I can drop 10 pennies from the top of the CN Tower and the only constant is that it will fall...

I can vote 10 times and the only constant is someone will get elected...who that ends up being is influenced by me, and by anyone else who votes...it is influenced a tiny bit...

If I didn't drop the penny it wouldn't fall and I wouldn't see the different places it fell...

like if no one votes no one gets elected and nothing changes...

You know this because you can see the future!?!?

What would happen if no one voted and no one was elected?

No nobody knows and we can only theorize what would happen... both of our arguements are flawed so it doesn't make a difference.

Comparing people views which are subjective and counting votes is quantitative, where as dropping pennies is just quantative and constant.
Good comparison but you need to measure things that are similar in both aspects.

My point is... we have only known this system. It has been in place for way too long. It needs to be updated.

If we only know this system obviously everyone is afraid to venture out for a new one. Humans tend to stay with the safe way of doing things.

This government elective (and law making) system is like having a new computer and running Windows 95...

[mathew.poulos]

You know this because you can see the future!?!?

What would happen if no one voted and no one was elected?

No nobody knows and we can only theorize what would happen... both of our arguements are flawed so it doesn't make a difference.

Comparing people views which are subjective and counting votes is quantitative, where as dropping pennies is just quantative and constant.
Good comparison but you need to measure things that are similar in both aspects.

My point is... we have only known this system. It has been in place for way too long. It needs to be updated.

If we only know this system obviously everyone is afraid to venture out for a new one. Humans tend to stay with the safe way of doing things.

This government elective (and law making) system is like having a new computer and running Windows 95...

If you think sitting on your ass has more benefit to society than voting...... oh man.....


As has been said, voting is already at a low, and nothing has changed. The politicians will just aim for those remaining votes.

[greffer31]

That's kinda harsh and over the top guy... It's not like he is some monster child molester rapist. He is still a human being with a family... I'm sure you aren't perfect either

one weight joke in the middle of a crack dilemma and im being too harsh:s

[CloudPump]

You know this because you can see the future!?!?

What would happen if no one voted and no one was elected?

No nobody knows and we can only theorize what would happen... both of our arguements are flawed so it doesn't make a difference.

Comparing people views which are subjective and counting votes is quantitative, where as dropping pennies is just quantative and constant.
Good comparison but you need to measure things that are similar in both aspects.

My point is... we have only known this system. It has been in place for way too long. It needs to be updated.

If we only know this system obviously everyone is afraid to venture out for a new one. Humans tend to stay with the safe way of doing things.

This government elective (and law making) system is like having a new computer and running Windows 95...

Ummm...

If 0 votes are cast the incumbent retains power. Elections Canada knows what would happen.

-Geoff

[geobur]

one weight joke in the middle of a crack dilemma and im being too harsh:s

wasn't sure if that was a weight joke but it sounded to me like "I hope he chokes on a bone and dies..."

that's what I was referring to as being harsh

[Default User]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gVR2qUtb08

[geobur]

Ummm...

If 0 votes are cast the incumbent retains power. Elections Canada knows what would happen.

-Geoff

This ^^

thus if no one voted like you say...the incumbent would be happy to keep things the way they are...until...either people start voting again...or he suddenly takes away the right to vote (since no one was exercising it) and suddenly we are left with a dictatorship

[brucewayne]

You know this because you can see the future!?!?

What would happen if no one voted and no one was elected?

No nobody knows and we can only theorize what would happen... both of our arguements are flawed so it doesn't make a difference.

Comparing people views which are subjective and counting votes is quantitative, where as dropping pennies is just quantative and constant.
Good comparison but you need to measure things that are similar in both aspects.

My point is... we have only known this system. It has been in place for way too long. It needs to be updated.

If we only know this system obviously everyone is afraid to venture out for a new one. Humans tend to stay with the safe way of doing things.

This government elective (and law making) system is like having a new computer and running Windows 95...

nothing will ever change this way. people are too fat and lazy. if any tries to make any unsettling changes, the people with power will use it against them. theyll call on bill blair to start "project whatever" and place some trumped up charges and then rent some planes for surveillance.

meanwhile, countries that were once considered 3rd world are sending spacecrafts to mars.

[CloudPump]

This ^^

thus if no one voted like you say...the incumbent would be happy to keep things the way they are...until...either people start voting again...or he suddenly takes away the right to vote (since no one was exercising it) and suddenly we are left with a Communist government

This would be a dictatorship with (arguable) influences of fascism, not communism.

-Geoff

[geobur]

You know this because you can see the future!?!?

What would happen if no one voted and no one was elected?

No nobody knows and we can only theorize what would happen... both of our arguements are flawed so it doesn't make a difference.

Comparing people views which are subjective and counting votes is quantitative, where as dropping pennies is just quantative and constant.
Good comparison but you need to measure things that are similar in both aspects.

My point is... we have only known this system. It has been in place for way too long. It needs to be updated.

If we only know this system obviously everyone is afraid to venture out for a new one. Humans tend to stay with the safe way of doing things.

This government elective (and law making) system is like having a new computer and running Windows 95...

Technologically speaking there haven't been that many major changes to the core operating system between Windows 95 and now...so the operating system still operates the same way for the most part...is is more of a pain to install on a new computer? Sure can it be done yes.

Just like there have only been minor changes to our voting system...to make things slightly easier...but it still runs the same way.

Looks like you need work on your comparisons as well :P

[geobur]

This would be a dictatorship with (arguable) influences of fascism, not communism.

-Geoff

oops ya my bad...was trying to think of that word...Dictatorship is the word I meant just went blank on it though...

was too busy laughing at that What does Rob Ford say video

fixed

[SirWanker]

now that was enlightening......classic Ford behavior...............

[mathew.poulos]

Yep no surprises there. Did not step down, just more apologies Aitch

[Aitch]

Exactly. Now he's apologized we can just get back to business as usual amiright?

[Scottobot]

Rob Ford says this is over so it's over. That's how things work in his world.

[Thrizzl3]

saw ford on CNN i LOL'd

[mathew.poulos]

Exactly. Now he's apologized we can just get back to business as usual amiright?


Rob Ford says this is over so it's over. That's how things work in his world.

I also found that interesting that this is his mindset. He didnt even feel a leave of absence was necessary.

He could have taken 60 days off for "personal time" and that would at least quiet (not silence) some of the detractors.

[geobur]

well if nothing else he is how can I say...determined? lol

[SirWanker]

Well I'm just waiting for him to pull a Chris Farley.......

[loki]

:goleafsgo

[mathew.poulos]

:goleafsgo

Subways! Subways! Subways!

[Jackal]

Business as usual folks!

Also liked this video by Jon Stewart. Sorry if it's a repost.

http://youtu.be/TpjDEWzStjc

[loki]

loki for mayor

[Aitch]

First question for all mayoral candidates is now "have you smoked crack?" Which is both hilarious and sad.

[SirWanker]

Fine so the silly sod will not resign. Hopefully City Council will insist that he:

provide a urine sample in the presence of two independent witnesses ( to be clear pee in a cup with witnesses) for weekly drug testing
make his calendar fully accessible to City Councilors and media
take on a driver appointed by Council ( not chosen by Ford). Said car will be equipped with a GPS tracking system

[mathew.poulos]

Fine so the silly sod will not resign. Hopefully City Council will insist that he:

provide a urine sample in the presence of two independent witnesses ( to be clear pee in a cup with witnesses) for weekly drug testing
make his calendar fully accessible to City Councilors and media
take on a driver appointed by Council ( not chosen by Ford). Said car will be equipped with a GPS tracking system


That's such an invasion of privacy, he is 1 vote on council

[Default User]

Fine so the silly sod will not resign. Hopefully City Council will insist that he:

provide a urine sample in the presence of two independent witnesses ( to be clear pee in a cup with witnesses) for weekly drug testing
make his calendar fully accessible to City Councilors and media
take on a driver appointed by Council ( not chosen by Ford). Said car will be equipped with a GPS tracking system


And guess who picks up the tab for these weekly drug tests and chauffeur?

[loki]

And guess who picks up the tab for these weekly drug tests and chauffeur?

Who?

[loki]

I would rather pick up that tab than the healthcare bill for smokers

do you smoke?

[SirWanker]

That's such an invasion of privacy, he is 1 vote on council

What privacy? If he is being truthful about being clean going forward, he has nothing to hide.
Besides it will work to his advantage in regaining the public's trust ( I don't believe I said that) if he remains clean.

[peterm15]

I would rather pick up that tab than the healthcare bill for smokers

do you smoke?

Oh not this argument again.

[mathew.poulos]

What privacy? If he is being truthful about being clean going forward, he has nothing to hide.
Besides it will work to his advantage in regaining the public's trust ( I don't believe I said that) if he remains clean.

Did you really say what privacy? This is a free country and that's what makes it so great, you clearly don't appreciate what you have in a country as great as our with statements like that

[brucewayne]

Fine so the silly sod will not resign. Hopefully City Council will insist that he:

provide a urine sample in the presence of two independent witnesses ( to be clear pee in a cup with witnesses) for weekly drug testing
make his calendar fully accessible to City Councilors and media
take on a driver appointed by Council ( not chosen by Ford). Said car will be equipped with a GPS tracking system


why?

if hes actually a good mayor what do i care what he does in his private life? if he smokes crack everyday but actually makes the city better.... then he would be a good mayor as far as im concerned. im interested in the results he brings forth as mayor. if anything i think he should be made to take steriods, and any other things that might make him a better mayor. everyone on council should take steriods... possibly be physically hooked up to computer... and then each other as well... that would be very efficient and productive. I live in the city thats what i care about. if the mayor drops dead after his last day... big deal, he won't be of any use at that point so why would i care. dig a hole and chuck him in... as long as im not paying for it.

[r4mi5awi]

http://i.imgur.com/iZ0NQh6.jpg?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews

http://i.imgur.com/4DeuJhs.jpg?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews

[Kiewan]

Mr. ford was featured on the Colbert show tonight. it was funny, but then sidetracked into something along the lines of all Canadians doing drugs. Worth checking out if you find all of this funny

[greffer31]

:goleafsgo

https://soundcloud.com/1021theedge/song-go-leafs-go-by-mayor-rob

[pwdunmore]

Technologically speaking there haven't been that many major changes to the core operating system between Windows 95 and now...so the operating system still operates the same way for the most part...is is more of a pain to install on a new computer? Sure can it be done yes.

Just like there have only been minor changes to our voting system...to make things slightly easier...but it still runs the same way.

Looks like you need work on your comparisons as well :P

I thought my comparison was good... with multicores and all. Our new society is like a new 8 core computer buts its only using 1 core running windows 95. :D geobur

[peterm15]

At the end of the day he lied. Just like the rest of them.

Coming from a Ford supporter, it's time for him to leave. Frankly it was time for him to leave 2 years ago. He has been the most scrutinized person in Canada that I can ever remember and most of which had absolutely nothing to do with his policies or counsel.

Shady investigative reporting and a general hatred for his political views made him an easy target. It has affected his job and probably caused him to drink more. Don't get me wrong, its no excuse, and a drunken stupor is no excuse for doing drugs.

The "news" that has made front page over the last 3 years would not have been an issue for most other people. I can recall a counselor having her licence suspended for DUI but "its ok because she apologized."

The media and others did whatever they could to have his mayoral stay shortened. But in the end he ruined it for himself. I still like his ideals and views on how to run toronto, but it's time for him to go.


http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/06/pe3esebu.jpg

[CloudPump]

<SNIP>

I can recall a counselor having her licence suspended for DUI but "its ok because she apologized."

The media and others did whatever they could to have his mayoral stay shortened. But in the end he ruined it for himself. I still like his ideals and views on how to run toronto, but it's time for him to go.

It's not Ok because she apologized.

Anna Bailao admitted she had been stopped for driving under the influence and then plead guilty to the charge. This made the news for about 3 days when she was charged and then again when she plead guilty.

What she DIDN'T do was say that someone else was driving her car wearing an Anna Bailao mask and that she does not use alcohol or even own a car so this must be a left-wing media conspiracy to smear her name.

She screwed up and owned up, didn't lie about it. If she were my council member, she'd lose my vote in the next election, but she's not.

-Geoff

[Aitch]

It's not Ok because she apologized.

Anna Bailao admitted she had been stopped for driving under the influence and then plead guilty to the charge. This made the news for about 3 days when she was charged and then again when she plead guilty.

What she DIDN'T do was say that someone else was driving her car wearing an Anna Bailao mask and that she does not use alcohol or even own a car so this must be a left-wing media conspiracy to smear her name.

She screwed up and owned up, didn't lie about it. If she were my council member, she'd lose my vote in the next election, but she's not.

-Geoff

Exactly. I won't deny that there are a lot of media people who disagree with Rob Ford on a lot of things - his political views, his methods, his personality - but at the same time he has NEVER made it easy on himself. Instead he always blames the media for blowing things out of proportion when all along most of Toronto has been embarrassed by him.

[peterm15]

It's not Ok because she apologized.

Anna Bailao admitted she had been stopped for driving under the influence and then plead guilty to the charge. This made the news for about 3 days when she was charged and then again when she plead guilty.

What she DIDN'T do was say that someone else was driving her car wearing an Anna Bailao mask and that she does not use alcohol or even own a car so this must be a left-wing media conspiracy to smear her name.

She screwed up and owned up, didn't lie about it. If she were my council member, she'd lose my vote in the next election, but she's not.

-Geoff

I realize all that. It just wasn't scrutinized as much as if had been ford in the same position. Him reading a document made the paper more then her. And most articles werent calling for her to resign. (There were some)

[SirWanker]

Did you really say what privacy? This is a free country and that's what makes it so great, you clearly don't appreciate what you have in a country as great as our with statements like that

So if Ford was your employee, you would tolerate his behavior? It is beyond acceptable and frankly be fired by now.
I do appreciate what we have in this country but not the parasites ( may it be Ford or any of the corporate sleazebags) who take full advantage of our generosity to their selfish ends.

[peterm15]

Exactly. I won't deny that there are a lot of media people who disagree with Rob Ford on a lot of things - his political views, his methods, his personality - but at the same time he has NEVER made it easy on himself. Instead he always blames the media for blowing things out of proportion when all along most of Toronto has been embarrassed by him.

Just seen this one.

I agree, which is why I said he should have left 2 years ago.

[Kiewan]

Being the mayor of Toronto doesn't stop when you go home. In his case you can't separate personal life from work as easily as someone working in an office ect.
He should have never taken the responsibility on in the first place without knowing what it entailed.

Just make sure you vote next year so you get the mayor that you want. (if he's not gone by then)

[mathew.poulos]

So if Ford was your employee, you would tolerate his behavior? It is beyond acceptable and frankly be fired by now.
I do appreciate what we have in this country but not the parasites ( may it be Ford or any of the corporate sleazebags) who take full advantage of our generosity to their selfish ends.

I never said he shouldn't step down. I said it many times he is done now. But the is a democracy so unfortunately for you he has rights.

[geobur]

Exactly. I won't deny that there are a lot of media people who disagree with Rob Ford on a lot of things - his political views, his methods, his personality - but at the same time he has NEVER made it easy on himself. Instead he always blames the media for blowing things out of proportion when all along most of Toronto has been embarrassed by him.

where do you get that? All along up until recently his approval rating has been very high...I think the people who have been "embarassed by him" are just louder than the people who aren't

[CloudPump]

where do you get that? All along up until recently his approval rating has been very high...I think the people who have been "embarassed by him" are just louder than the people who aren't

I'm not sure I agree.

Currently Rob Ford is sitting at an *job* approval rating of 48%, however 57% of these same people believe he should resign.

-Geoff

[geobur]

I'm not sure I agree.

Currently Rob Ford is sitting at an *job* approval rating of 48%, however 57% of these same people believe he should resign.

-Geoff

Yes now in light of recent developments... 48% is still high... But I said up until recently he has always been very high (no pun intended :P)

[CloudPump]

Yes now in light of recent developments... 48% is still high... But I said up until recently he has always been very high (no pun intended :P)

http://cdn.alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/large/happy-i-see-what-you-did-there-l.png

-Geoff

[Aitch]

where do you get that? All along up until recently his approval rating has been very high...I think the people who have been "embarassed by him" are just louder than the people who aren't

I know his approval rating has remained relatively consistent. Perhaps there isn't a statistic to back up my statement, rather just the anecdotal evidence of media opinions. Let's just say personally I think he's been an embarrassment for over a year and before that he wasn't doing a great job even just at being mayor.

[brucewayne]

So if Ford was your employee, you would tolerate his behavior? It is beyond acceptable and frankly be fired by now.
I do appreciate what we have in this country but not the parasites ( may it be Ford or any of the corporate sleazebags) who take full advantage of our generosity to their selfish ends.

its a politically motivated criminal investigation. unless you really have it in for the guy and hire a private investigator, you won't know what going on so what would you fire him for if he were just a regular employee somewhere?

[Stathakos]

He wont step down because he's an idiot. LOL he thinks he's persevering, but people that have been underneath him had stepped down. I mean, even CNN has aired a program about him. Anyone in the states watching it probably thinks us Canadians are jokes. (not that they didnt before)

[geobur]

He wont step down because he's an idiot. LOL he thinks he's persevering, but people that have been underneath him had stepped down. I mean, even CNN has aired a program about him. Anyone in the states watching it probably thinks us Canadians are jokes. (not that they didnt before)

That's because us Canadian's are jokes...and not because of Rob Ford...we were long before him...come on get real...the United States think of us as the little geek that the Jocks push around but "like" because he is funny, and he helps them with their homework...You think the states actually take us seriously...our military is a laughing stock of the world (No thanks to Pierre Trudeau) and our leaders are usually jokes...they are pushovers who generally let the US push their idea's and policies on us.

for example how long did the States place tariffs on our softwood lumber coming from Canada? There probably still is...what happened to NAFTA?? Has our government done anything about it? No...

[geobur]

And don't get that twisted ^^ I love Canada, I'm proud to be Canadian... But in the international eye we are already a joke and we didn't need Rob Ford to accomplish that

[SirWanker]

its a politically motivated criminal investigation.
Spare me that lame excuse. More like collateral damage from Project Traveller where he was associating with the wrong crowd.


unless you really have it in for the guy and hire a private investigator, you won't know what going on so what would you fire him for if he were just a regular employee somewhere?
Late arrivals to work and early departures. Sloppy to no work done on assignments e.g. initial business case for private subway funding ( ummm nothing presented at all), less than convincing reasons for a downtown casino ( which I'm glad he failed but...)

[Jackal]

And don't get that twisted ^^ I love Canada, I'm proud to be Canadian... But in the international eye we are already a joke and we didn't need Rob Ford to accomplish that

And you have been to how many countries and spoken to how many people while in the international stage?

[SirWanker]

...our military is a laughing stock of the world (No thanks to Pierre Trudeau) and our leaders are usually jokes...they are pushovers who generally let the US push their idea's and policies on us.
for example how long did the States place tariffs on our softwood lumber coming from Canada? There probably still is...what happened to NAFTA?? Has our government done anything about it? No...

That is debatable. Try Diefenbaker's decision in cancelling the Avro program for starting the decline of the Canadian military.
The Americans have always ignored any economical rulings against them because they could but now that they are fading as an economic powerhouse.....