Something to ponder on about speeding

[JonsMazda]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvLaTupw-hk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvLaTupw-hk

[asyed]

I love how society always tries to pin the blame on speed.

in the video its clearly evident that the guy pulling out didnt have a proper sense of speed and was unable to judge it. We do not live in a perfect world where everyone follows the limit and thus sometimes this stuff happens but can easily be avoided if people were to be more cautious.

way better to spend an extra few miliseconds making sure he isnt coming in too fast rather than risking your life. Its pretty much a given here in Toronto that on most public roads there is always someone going 10 over the limit. Sometimes the entire flow of traffic does 10 over the limit ( and sometimes even 20 over like on the 407)

that being said... going any faster than the flow of traffic is dangerous and in that case you better slow down. So you could say that speed may have been a factor in this video ( country roads) but most people dont go over 100 kph on country roads ( atleast here)

[Cab0oze]

Yeah, that is just stupid. If someone makes a mistake, (i.e. doesn't look) and pulls out when you're going 30, you will still hit them. Granted not as hard, but there are intersections like these onto roads with speed limits up to 100, so it can happen.

If a bunch of stupid parents that have power see this, it will mean all roads with T intersections will be reduced to 30km/hr speed limits to cater to the lowest common denominator (i.e. people that shouldnt even have their license and are a danger to others)

[CloudPump]

I love how society always tries to pin the blame on speed.

in the video its clearly evident that the guy pulling out didnt have a proper sense of speed and was unable to judge it. We do not live in a perfect world where everyone follows the limit and thus sometimes this stuff happens but can easily be avoided if people were to be more cautious.

way better to spend an extra few miliseconds making sure he isnt coming in too fast rather than risking your life. Its pretty much a given here in Toronto that on most public roads there is always someone going 10 over the limit. Sometimes the entire flow of traffic does 10 over the limit ( and sometimes even 20 over like on the 407)

that being said... going any faster than the flow of traffic is dangerous and in that case you better slow down. So you could say that speed may have been a factor in this video ( country roads) but most people dont go over 100 kph on country roads ( atleast here)

I think you missed the target of blame.

They didn't blame the accident on speed, they quite clearly blamed it on the driver who misjudged the timing of the approaching car and pulled out too early.

The point of the ad was "There are idiots out there who can't drive properly and they're going to pull out in front of you. If you're doing 80, you'll be able to stop or slow down more than if you're doing 110"

That said, I present this video about speeding:


http://youtu.be/2BKdbxX1pDw

-Geoff

[geobur]

This Commercial is dumb because with common sense, and proper driving practices things like this wouldn't happen...

For instance if the guy spent more time making sure he had time...or if the guy speeding slowed down when he saw the guy approach the stop sign.

For this reason I don't trust anyone else on the roads, if I am approaching someone who is pulling up to an intersection I automatically assume they are an idiot, and take my foot off the gas and hover over the break just in case they pull out and I am watching them like a hawk. If they sit there and wait, awesome! I revoke their idiot status...if they pull out I am prepared for it and they get to remain an idiot...lol win win

[CloudPump]

This Commercial is dumb because with common sense, and proper driving practices things like this wouldn't happen...

For instance if the guy spent more time making sure he had time...or if the guy speeding slowed down when he saw the guy approach the stop sign.

For this reason I don't trust anyone else on the roads, if I am approaching someone who is pulling up to an intersection I automatically assume they are an idiot, and take my foot off the gas and hover over the break just in case they pull out and I am watching them like a hawk. If they sit there and wait, awesome! I revoke their idiot status...if they pull out I am prepared for it and they get to remain an idiot...lol win win

The POINT of the commerical is that "with common sense, and proper driving practices things like this wouldn't happen"

-Geoff

[pwdunmore]

Common sense isn't so common. I think that's the problem...

[Thrizzl3]

hmmm reminds me of brampton...seriously...speeding cars and people who have poor judgement skills.

[miako]

some ppl don't have speed judging skills, I mean they pulled out is ok if they keep up to the flow of traffic. If they pull out and others have to pound on their brakes, that means someone sucked at judging speed and shouldn't drive at all, take a bus. It's safer for all of us.

[Slade]

Im pretty sure I saw this guy this morning!


http://youtu.be/cFilQMY0buQ

[miako]

Nice video. Yes, you can make a right turn when it's red, but you still have to STOP first then proceed. I got honked by some Woodbridge bro once, I asked the dude where did he get his license. Same thing goes to Yellow lights. Left turn cars should have the right-of-way when traffic light is Yellow. Right turn car in the oncoming traffic should yield. A lot of these courtesy/safety rules were neglected.

[Slade]

Nice video. Yes, you can make a right turn when it's red, but you still have to STOP first then proceed. I got honked by some Woodbridge bro once, I asked the dude where did he get his license. Same thing goes to Yellow lights. Left turn cars should have the right-of-way when traffic light is Yellow. Right turn car in the oncoming traffic should yield. A lot of these courtesy/safety rules were neglected.

I was more concerned about the stop signs lol.

That inserction, if the oncoming traffic turns proper there is an extra lane still so you can safely turn on a red, however, you still need to stop like you mention, and still hope that the opposite turns into their proper lane, and not try to get over right away for the highway.

[miako]

oh yeah.. the dude totally messed up the stop signs, no questions asked. Within those few minutes, it would have cost him 9 demerit points.

[CloudPump]

Nice video. Yes, you can make a right turn when it's red, but you still have to STOP first then proceed. I got honked by some Woodbridge bro once, I asked the dude where did he get his license. Same thing goes to Yellow lights. Left turn cars should have the right-of-way when traffic light is Yellow. Right turn car in the oncoming traffic should yield. A lot of these courtesy/safety rules were neglected.

No one has right of way when the light is yellow. A yellow light means come to a stop unless it is not possible to do safely. If you are in the left turn lane and enter an intersection BEHIND someone who is also making a left turn, when the light goes yellow you are now guilty of running a yellow light. Only one car may enter an intersection to make a left turn on a green light at a time. If you don't wait at the stopline until the car in front of you has proceeded through the intersection you may receive a ticket.

Yes, I do understand that this isn't how people actually do it, but that is the correct driving procedure.

-Geoff

[miako]

I believe you misunderstood my point there. I was simply pointing at the left turn car should have the right of way over a right turn car in the oncoming traffic during a yellow light situation. The left turn car is in a more dangerous position where it is a courtesy or so we call a practice to let them go first. I did not go into the second or the third left turn car at all.

[asyed]

No one has right of way when the light is yellow. A yellow light means come to a stop unless it is not possible to do safely. If you are in the left turn lane and enter an intersection BEHIND someone who is also making a left turn, when the light goes yellow you are now guilty of running a yellow light. Only one car may enter an intersection to make a left turn on a green light at a time. If you don't wait at the stopline until the car in front of you has proceeded through the intersection you may receive a ticket.

Yes, I do understand that this isn't how people actually do it, but that is the correct driving procedure.

-Geoff

THIS


I remember when I first started driving I once got honked at by some limo driver since I was behind the line and the car in front was in the interdection trying to turn left... I was like wtf... Then I realized it is a normal (but wrong thing ) in Toronto for 2 cars to be in the intersection at a time.


Also on the topic of turning left... Anyone else annoyed by the people who make unnecessary wide left turns and end striaght into the right lane instead of going into the left lane and then changing lanes.... Pisses me off because some of them do it and don't give room to the people that are doing it the right way to change lanes... If they did the same in the drivers test... Its an automatic fail AFAIK.

[JackyMS3]

No one has right of way when the light is yellow. A yellow light means come to a stop unless it is not possible to do safely. If you are in the left turn lane and enter an intersection BEHIND someone who is also making a left turn, when the light goes yellow you are now guilty of running a yellow light. Only one car may enter an intersection to make a left turn on a green light at a time. If you don't wait at the stopline until the car in front of you has proceeded through the intersection you may receive a ticket.

Yes, I do understand that this isn't how people actually do it, but that is the correct driving procedure.

-Geoff

I do not think this is correct. My brother is a York Region officer. I always tag along when him and his cop buddies head out for wings and shoot the shits. There is no law saying that only 1 car can enter the intersection. If you do this one car thing on Woodbine going onto Hwy7, I guarantee you will look like an idiot if you decided to stay behind the line and allow a distance of 30 feet behind the car in front of you. Secondly, even cops goes out into the intersection regardless of being the second or third. If you are in an unsafe position, you are allow to run a yellow, you don't get tickets running a yellow.

[Zotaga]

IMO, stupidity and ignorance is what kills people.. not speed.

I've had people wait and wait until I got close to them before they decided to turn infront of me.. I can't count the number of times this happens because it happens so frequently. It's these buffoons that cause sh*t.. not the speeders. I could be going 20km/hr, 60km/hr, 100km/hr.. it won't matter.. if someone turns infront of me and I t-bone them.. they are going to get f'ed up regardless.. it doesn't always have to be a 110km/hr collision to cause serious injury or death.. it could happen at any speed.


The POINT of the commerical is that "with common sense, and proper driving practices things like this wouldn't happen"

-Geoff

[JackyMS3]

If your wheels pass the line into the intersection when it's red, then you get a ticket. Definitely not when yellow waiting to turn left.

[Zotaga]

That person is going to kill someone one day.. you should submit this to the police.. it's video evidence of reckless driving..


Im pretty sure I saw this guy this morning!


http://youtu.be/cFilQMY0buQ

[Zotaga]

The rule is that your rear tires have to be over the line before the light turns red to avoid getting a ticket. If you enter the intersection half way and then your rear tires go on the red, you just ran a red light and will get a ticket.

This is what I was told by some police officers.


If your wheels pass the line into the intersection when it's red, then you get a ticket. Definitely not when yellow waiting to turn left.

[JackyMS3]

IMO, stupidity and ignorance is what kills people.. not speed.

I've had people wait and wait until I got close to them before they decided to turn infront of me.. I can't count the number of times this happens because it happens so frequently. It's these buffoons that cause sh*t.. not the speeders. I could be going 20km/hr, 60km/hr, 100km/hr.. it won't matter.. if someone turns infront of me and I t-bone them.. they are going to get f'ed up regardless.. it doesn't always have to be a 110km/hr collision to cause serious injury or death.. it could happen at any speed.

True say, that's why they say raising speed limit from 100 to 120 won't make a shit ton of differences, if you are going at 100 or 120, you hit something (people pulling out into highway traffic at 60km, ahem corollas) you are gonna die. Going at 120 won't make you die harder lol

[Zotaga]

The real solution is to revoke EVERYONE's drivers license and make EVERYONE redo the damn test. Albeit a test that is harder.. the guys from Canada's Worst Driver could help set up the course. If the people can't pass their course, then they shouldn't drive.. this would eliminate A LOT of the morons that we see driving on our roads.. causing accidents/killing people.


True say, that's why they say raising speed limit from 100 to 120 won't make a shit ton of differences, if you are going at 100 or 120, you hit something (people pulling out into highway traffic at 60km, ahem corollas) you are gonna die. Going at 120 won't make you die harder lol

[Cab0oze]

The real solution is to revoke EVERYONE's drivers license and make EVERYONE redo the damn test. Albeit a test that is harder.. the guys from Canada's Worst Driver could help set up the course. If the people can't pass their course, then they shouldn't drive.. this would eliminate A LOT of the morons that we see driving on our roads.. causing accidents/killing people.Yeah there is no standards for tests. I was blown away when my instructor told me to do my parallel parking in front of someone's driveway (no curb) with no cars in front or in back LOL. It was impossible to fail.

Harder tests, rewards + tickets for dashcamming people breaking laws might help. Of course, harder tests only works if there is no corruption. I bet any driving instructor would take a bribe lol....

[Zotaga]

Solution: Everyone uses a gov't owned vehicle with a dash cam in the front and a cam inside the car for the drivers test.

If that person gets into an accident, the video will be pulled up and used as evidence against the person. It would be obvious if that person was supposed to pass or fail.. it holds all parties liable.


Yeah there is no standards for tests. I was blown away when my instructor told me to do my parallel parking in front of someone's driveway (no curb) with no cars in front or in back LOL. It was impossible to fail.

Harder tests, rewards + tickets for dashcamming people breaking laws might help. Of course, harder tests only works if there is no corruption. I bet any driving instructor would take a bribe lol....

[asyed]

That person is going to kill someone one day.. you should submit this to the police.. it's video evidence of reckless driving..

on the other hand it didnt appear that Slade came to a complete stop in the video...

Dont think its a good idea if they can also fine you back for a rolling stop based off the video.

[Zotaga]

Touche.. how about he asks for amnesty in reporting an a-hole in? At least Slade sorta stopped.. that other guy didn't stop at all..


on the other hand it didnt appear that Slade came to a complete stop in the video...

Dont think its a good idea if they can also fine you back for a rolling stop based off the video.

[CloudPump]

I do not think this is correct. My brother is a York Region officer. I always tag along when him and his cop buddies head out for wings and shoot the shits. There is no law saying that only 1 car can enter the intersection. If you do this one car thing on Woodbine going onto Hwy7, I guarantee you will look like an idiot if you decided to stay behind the line and allow a distance of 30 feet behind the car in front of you. Secondly, even cops goes out into the intersection regardless of being the second or third. If you are in an unsafe position, you are allow to run a yellow, you don't get tickets running a yellow.

Yes, you do get tickets for running yellows.

Let's go to the source, the HTA:


"Every driver approaching a traffic control signal showing a circular amber light and facing the light shall stop his or her vehicle if he or she can do so safely, otherwise he or she may proceed with caution." (Ontario HTA Section 144.15)

Penalties:

If you cross an intersection in spite of the traffic light being amber, you will have to bear the following penalties:

1. You get three demerit points.
2. You have to pay a $180 fine.
3. A 3 year conviction on your driving record.

-Geoff

[geobur]

Solution: Everyone uses a gov't owned vehicle with a dash cam in the front and a cam inside the car for the drivers test.

If that person gets into an accident, the video will be pulled up and used as evidence against the person. It would be obvious if that person was supposed to pass or fail.. it holds all parties liable.

It's funny you should mention that, I was just talking about this on Wednesday night with my mother. I think government owned and insured vehicles should be used for the drivers test...it would take away the whole safety test they do before hand to make sure the vehicle is road safe...since they would maintain them...they could all be equipped with dash cams with audio to make sure that a) the driver is following instructions, b) the instructor isn't verbally abusing the driver or making them unduly nervous like they had with my girlfriend.

Also the thing that baffles me is in a lot of things these days in a professional environment a male can't be alone with a female, without another person usually female is present or vise versa. I see this with interviews and have heard of it in other aspect too...yet it is ok to send girls out with random male instructor (and they absolutely refuse to drive with dash cameras? (or at least apparently it is instructor preference) The instructor my girlfriend had wanted it out of the car completely...and then proceeded to yell at her.

It would at least mostly take away the possibility of bribes happening as if the driver passed yet since it would be easier to standardize the testing it would be obvious as to whether they passed or failed...

[geobur]

Yes, you do get tickets for running yellows.

Let's go to the source, the HTA:


-Geoff

that doesn't say anything about only one vehicle being in the intersection at a time. Which is what JackyMS3 was originally talking about if you take away his last sentence.

[JackyMS3]

Yes, you do get tickets for running yellows.

Let's go to the source, the HTA:

"Every driver approaching a traffic control signal showing a circular amber light and facing the light shall stop his or her vehicle if he or she can do so safely, otherwise he or she may proceed with caution." (Ontario HTA Section 144.15)

Penalties:

If you cross an intersection in spite of the traffic light being amber, you will have to bear the following penalties:

1. You get three demerit points.
2. You have to pay a $180 fine.
3. A 3 year conviction on your driving record.

-Geoff

Wow apparently you can't read.

"Originally Posted by JackyMS3
I do not think this is correct. My brother is a York Region officer. I always tag along when him and his cop buddies head out for wings and shoot the shits. There is no law saying that only 1 car can enter the intersection. If you do this one car thing on Woodbine going onto Hwy7, I guarantee you will look like an idiot if you decided to stay behind the line and allow a distance of 30 feet behind the car in front of you. Secondly, even cops goes out into the intersection regardless of being the second or third. If you are in an unsafe position, you are allow to run a yellow, you don't get tickets running a yellow." This is one sentence.

Good that you quoted HTA:

"Every driver approaching a traffic control signal showing a circular amber light and facing the light shall stop his or her vehicle if he or she can do so safely, otherwise he or she may proceed with caution." (Ontario HTA Section 144.15)

If you cross an intersection in spite of the traffic light being amber, you will have to bear the following penalties:

IF YOU CROSS. That means if you pass the line after it turned yellow, you are guilty of the charge . - Now if you are in the middle of the intersection already, waiting to turn left and it turned yellow, YOU ARE IN AN UNSAFE SITUATION. You may proceed with the turn. If a cop gives you a ticket over this, you can actually go to the prosecutor and complain about the officer for wasting ppl's time. Because my bro's asshat buddy got one of them complaints for wasting civilian time and tax payer's money.

your previous comment was, only one car can get into the intersection waiting to turn left. You are switching the direction of this matter to passing an intersection, two different things.

now lets start reading and not just copy and paste shits that you didn't even read/understand

-Jacky(Jack-ass)

[JackyMS3]

that doesn't say anything about only one vehicle being in the intersection at a time. Which is what JackyMS3 was originally talking about if you take away his last sentence.

For Fack sakes, geobur you understood what's going on in here. gotta give you a thumbs up lol good man

[miako]

For Fack sakes, geobur you understood what's going on in here. gotta give you a thumbs up lol good man

not a whole lot of ppl actually read before they start typing. That's why most of the time I just turn away and don't bother to explain. It's funny when you look at their other posts, most of them are garbage too. Anyway, getting off topic here.

[Slade]

on the other hand it didnt appear that Slade came to a complete stop in the video...

Dont think its a good idea if they can also fine you back for a rolling stop based off the video.

I was stopping, my street(s) were/are still ice covered and my abs goes bonkers when I brake , you can sorta hear it in the video.

I've also been getting stuck at those 2 damn signs when stopped....RWD problems. 4x4 Solutions.