Another possible DRL bypass for HIDs [Archive]

MajesticBlueNTO

12-21-2004, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by xg3
update...

under the dash the fuse box, 7.5amp FUSE IS NOT GOING TO CUT IT FOR THE HIDS now hook up to these lights. one of mine blew.. and i replaced them with 20 amps fuse.(my old car used 20amps for same hid kits and was fine for 2 years) .

in the M3F thread, PhilGood makes reference to using a relay...

as referenced in here (http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/relays/relays.html)

\"The best relays to use in setting up a headlamp circuit have dual 87 terminals. That lets you use one 87 terminal to power the left filament, and the other 87 terminal to power the right filament in whatever circuit you\'re building (low beam, high beam, fog lamp, etc.).\"

Canadian Tire sells these exact relays for $5.99 ...check the automotive fuse section.

triplezoom

01-03-2005, 11:51 PM

As of now, i have tapped my hid + wire to the signal wire and has been succesful in bypassing the original DRL setting (hence no more flickering). However, having read over some threads, would it be safe to use this DRL bypass wiring with just low-voltage tapins (e.g. no relays, no switch)? Will i blow a fuse? :(
Heres a link (http://thexenonstore.com/mazda3drl/mazda3drl.htm) to what i followed (credits to Devin)

MajesticBlueNTO

01-04-2005, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by triplezoom

As of now, i have tapped my hid + wire to the signal wire and has been succesful in bypassing the original DRL setting (hence no more flickering). However, having read over some threads, would it be safe to use this DRL bypass wiring with just low-voltage tapins (e.g. no relays, no switch)? Will i blow a fuse? :(
Heres a link (http://thexenonstore.com/mazda3drl/mazda3drl.htm) to what i followed (credits to Devin)

yes you will blow a fuse. the turn signal is fused at 7.5A and the stock headlights are fused at 15A.

a better thing to do would be to use the wire from the tap-in and use that as the switch input on a headlight relay (can be had from Canadian Tire for $5.99 with a dual output...i.e. one tap-in to trigger the relay and one relay for both headlights.

MajesticBlueNTO

01-04-2005, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by triplezoom

Heres a link (http://thexenonstore.com/mazda3drl/mazda3drl.htm) to what i followed (credits to Devin)

thanks Devin :) now i know which wire i need to tap into :D

triplezoom

01-04-2005, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by MajesticBlueN

Originally posted by triplezoom

As of now, i have tapped my hid + wire to the signal wire and has been succesful in bypassing the original DRL setting (hence no more flickering). However, having read over some threads, would it be safe to use this DRL bypass wiring with just low-voltage tapins (e.g. no relays, no switch)? Will i blow a fuse? :(
Heres a link (http://thexenonstore.com/mazda3drl/mazda3drl.htm) to what i followed (credits to Devin)

yes you will blow a fuse. the turn signal is fused at 7.5A and the stock headlights are fused at 15A.

a better thing to do would be to use the wire from the tap-in and use that as the switch input on a headlight relay (can be had from Canadian Tire for $5.99 with a dual output...i.e. one tap-in to trigger the relay and one relay for both headlights.

So what your saying is instead of directly tapping the signal wire to the hid, i should first tap the signal wire to an input relay which willthen \"dual tap out\" (lol) to the hid lights. So does that mean i only need to do it for one side only and it will power up both the left and right hids?

MajesticBlueNTO

01-04-2005, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by triplezoom

So what your saying is instead of directly tapping the signal wire to the hid, i should first tap the signal wire to an input relay which willthen \"dual tap out\" (lol) to the hid lights. So does that mean i only need to do it for one side only and it will power up both the left and right hids?

there\'s more wires involved with the relay.

one fused (20A should be good) 12V input wired to the battery, one ground wire (plugged into the OEM headlight harness negative), the switch wire (which is your current tapped signal wire), and the wires going to the HID positive.

with the \"dual output\" relay, you only need your current tap on that one side to power up both the left and right HIDs.

with a single output relay, you need a relay for both sides. i\'ve seen the single output \"automotive\" relays at radioshack for $4.99. the dual output i\'ve seen at Canadian Tire for $5.99.

triplezoom

01-04-2005, 12:52 AM

So is it kinda like the diagram in my attachment? where the switch is the signal wire? sry kinda newbish to this relaying wiring drl stuff.

MajesticBlueNTO

01-04-2005, 01:08 AM

Originally posted by triplezoom

So is it kinda like the diagram in my attachment? where the switch is the signal wire? sry kinda newbish to this relaying wiring drl stuff.

yup, 86 is the wire that was tapped from the signal wire.

85 is the OEM headlight harness -ve

you also don\'t need a 15A fuse on the 87 to HID +ve since the 30A fuse on the \"30\" wire takes care of that.

chaser

01-08-2005, 04:49 PM

So, what does the \"30\" slot do in the relay??

Never mind my quesiton, I don\'t know what I\'m asking :sarc

MajesticBlueNTO

01-08-2005, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by chaser

So, what does the \"30\" slot do in the relay??

Never mind my quesiton, I don\'t know what I\'m asking :sarc

more info here (http://faq.auto.light.tripod.com/headlamp-harness.html)

chaser

01-09-2005, 05:27 PM

MajesticBlueN, thanks for the xtra info :)
If I follow this diagram (http://faq.auto.light.tripod.com/hid-harness-single-filament.gif), where is a good place to ground the ballasts? Provided that 86 from the relay is grounded to the stock headlight connector (black wire). Or can I ground 86 to elsewhere, leaving the stock headlight connector for ballast grounding? Thx

MajesticBlueNTO

01-09-2005, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by chaser

MajesticBlueN, thanks for the xtra info :)
If I follow this diagram (http://faq.auto.light.tripod.com/hid-harness-single-filament.gif), where is a good place to ground the ballasts? Provided that 86 from the relay is grounded to the stock headlight connector (black wire). Or can I ground 86 to elsewhere, leaving the stock headlight connector for ballast grounding? Thx

no problem :)

more info can be found here - Credit: Daniel Stern Lighting (http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/relays/relays.html)

ground the ballasts to somewhere on the body of the car. on the driver\'s side you can use the battery ground point. on the passenger\'s side, there should be a chassis bolt close by. you\'ll need to make a wire with a female connector on one end and a ring terminal on the other end.

triplezoom

01-09-2005, 08:09 PM

Thx Maj and chaser, it all makes sense now! I can find all the materials at crappy tire/radio shack right? :D

chaser

01-10-2005, 12:32 PM

MBN rocks!!:D

For the 3 groundings (2 from the ballasts, 1 from the relay (85)), does it matter which grounding point they connect to? Can I ground the ballasts with the included male connector to the stock headlight holder and ground the relay to the battery\'s -ve terminal or any body grounding point? If I can do it this way, I can save myself some time and $ to make the grounding wires. THX!!

MajesticBlueNTO

01-10-2005, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by chaser

MBN rocks!!:D

For the 3 groundings (2 from the ballasts, 1 from the relay (85)), does it matter which grounding point they connect to? Can I ground the ballasts with the included male connector to the stock headlight holder and ground the relay to the battery\'s -ve terminal or any body grounding point? If I can do it this way, I can save myself some time and $ to make the grounding wires. THX!!

you can give it a try, i don\'t see why it wouldn\'t work. let us know how it goes :)

chaser

01-11-2005, 02:13 PM

I\'m looking for 12 or 14 gauge wire that is good for at least 105C (degree). I tried a Cantire store in Markham and some electronic store but couldn\'t find any. Anyone has any idea?

MajesticBlueNTO

01-11-2005, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by chaser

I\'m looking for 12 or 14 gauge wire that is good for at least 105C (degree). I tried a Cantire store in Markham and some electronic store but couldn\'t find any. Anyone has any idea?

wal-mart ...check the car audio section. it\'ll be in a container with a black backing and a round plastic holder. it has a tab at the back so you can pull the wire out to your desired length easily.

i think it\'s around $3-6 (can\'t remember) and the length gets less the lower the gauge of the wire. but you get at least 10 metres of both.

chaser

01-13-2005, 02:01 PM

Finally got the HID installed last night, using the method/wiring diagram outlined above. I turned on the parking lights to test the HIDs and they worked fine. Today I drove to office with the HIDs turned on. When I got to the office and turned off the HIDs (parking lights), I realized the HIDs were still on. Even I took out the key, they still stayed on. I didn\'t have time to troubleshoot but took out the fuse between the relay and battery. What has gone wrong?! :( The only thing I can think of now is relay failure. Last night I could turn it on/off without problem. Any other idea?

MajesticBlueNTO

01-13-2005, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by chaser

Finally got the HID installed last night, using the method/wiring diagram outlined above. I turned on the parking lights to test the HIDs and they worked fine. Today I drove to office with the HIDs turned on. When I got to the office and turned off the HIDs (parking lights), I realized the HIDs were still on. Even I took out the key, they still stayed on. I didn\'t have time to troubleshoot but took out the fuse between the relay and battery. What has gone wrong?! :( The only thing I can think of now is relay failure. Last night I could turn it on/off without problem. Any other idea?

the relay ground wire...is it hooked into the OEM harness -ve? or is it grounded to the chassis?

were your parking lights still on after you turned the switch to off?

chaser

01-13-2005, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by MajesticBlueN

Originally posted by chaser

Finally got the HID installed last night, using the method/wiring diagram outlined above. I turned on the parking lights to test the HIDs and they worked fine. Today I drove to office with the HIDs turned on. When I got to the office and turned off the HIDs (parking lights), I realized the HIDs were still on. Even I took out the key, they still stayed on. I didn\'t have time to troubleshoot but took out the fuse between the relay and battery. What has gone wrong?! :( The only thing I can think of now is relay failure. Last night I could turn it on/off without problem. Any other idea?

the relay ground wire...is it hooked into the OEM harness -ve? or is it grounded to the chassis?

were your parking lights still on after you turned the switch to off?

The ground from the relay (85) I grounded it to the chassis. Yes, the parking lights were off when I switched them off.

MajesticBlueNTO

01-13-2005, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by chaser

The ground from the relay (85) I grounded it to the chassis. Yes, the parking lights were off when I switched them off.

do you have one relay controlling both HID bulbs (the one from CanTire that has a dual 87 output)? or one relay per side?

check the tap connection to the parking light wire. if that is good, try hooking the 85 wire to the OEM headlight harness -ve and ground the HID bulb to the chassis.

for some reason, the relay isn\'t switching off....it could be the relay, or it could be because the lights are ground-switched.

chaser

01-13-2005, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by MajesticBlueN

do you have one relay controlling both HID bulbs (the one from CanTire that has a dual 87 output)? or one relay per side?

check the tap connection to the parking light wire. if that is good, try hooking the 85 wire to the OEM headlight harness -ve and ground the HID bulb to the chassis.

for some reason, the relay isn\'t switching off....it could be the relay, or it could be because the lights are ground-switched.

I\'ve the dual 87 relay from CanTire. I grounded the ballasts to the stock headlights\' -ve slots. That\'s what I\'m thinking too - for some reason the relay doesn\'t switched off.

Just went to pop up the hood and put back the fuse. The HIDs went on (switch is off). Then I gave the fuse a few taps. Guess what, the HIDs went off! So, now I\'m thinking, does the position/placement of the relay matter?? I put the relay \"horizontally\" (the connectors pointing horizontally, not vertically)in front of the battery box.
Looks like the problem is caused by 85 and 86 or the relay. Will look at the connections after work.

chaser

01-13-2005, 11:52 PM

Update ...
After I gave the relay a few taps in the afternoon, the HIDs turn on/off when I turn on/off the parking signals ... werid :sarc Didn\'t have problem throughout the night.

Is that mean our headlight circuit is NOT a \"Ground-switched\" one?

MajesticBlueNTO

01-14-2005, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by chaser

Update ...
After I gave the relay a few taps in the afternoon, the HIDs turn on/off when I turn on/off the parking signals ... werid :sarc Didn\'t have problem throughout the night.

Is that mean our headlight circuit is NOT a \"Ground-switched\" one?

i guess so.

good stuff with the install :)

chaser

01-17-2005, 06:13 PM

Just want to share how I hook up the kit ... It\'s not very technical but takes some times ...
Oh, I forgot to label the wire connects to the fuse from the relay. It\'s \"30\"
http://www.geocities.com/vchung007/XTecInstallationWiringDiagram.jpg

majic

01-17-2005, 06:30 PM

excellent diagram... easy to follow even though i haven\'t looked at the install instructions.. alright, i think i\'m officially saving up for HIDs :D

MajesticBlueNTO

01-17-2005, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by chaser

Just want to share how I hook up the kit ... It\'s not very technical but takes some times ...
Oh, I forgot to label the wire connects to the fuse from the relay. It\'s \"30\"
http://www.geocities.com/vchung007/XTecInstallationWiringDiagram.jpg

Nice diagram :)

the fuse in between the battery and connector \"30\" on the relay is a 30AMP fuse.

chaser

01-18-2005, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by MajesticBlueN
the fuse in between the battery and connector \"30\" on the relay is a 30AMP fuse.

Thx MBN.
Diagram updated.:)

triplezoom

01-18-2005, 04:56 PM

Chaser, im assuming that this wiring method will allow your HID\'s to stay on all the time when you are on the AUTO mode? :D

chaser

01-18-2005, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by triplezoom
Chaser, im assuming that this wiring method will allow your HID\'s to stay on all the time when you are on the AUTO mode? :D

I don\'t think the HID will stay on all the time when in Auto mode. Instead, the HID should go on whenever the parking/side-markers/tail lights are on. Thus, (in Auto mode) if it\'s not dark enough to trigger the sensor to turn on any lights, the HID should remain off. I\'m not 100% sure since I\'ve never switched to AUTO mode after I put in HIDs. One of the reasons is, I don\'t want the HIDs to be turned on when I start my car in a garage and being turned off a few seconds later when I roll out (in daytime).
I\'ll let you know when I\'ve tried AUTO mode in daytime.

MajesticBlueNTO

01-18-2005, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by triplezoom

Chaser, im assuming that this wiring method will allow your HID\'s to stay on all the time when you are on the AUTO mode? :D

the HIDs will be on when the Parking Light comes on (since that is the switch source).

so, they will be off when low light in AUTO mode and on when AUTO mode comes on. also, they will come on when you put your light switch to the \"Parking Light\" position.

triplezoom

01-19-2005, 12:33 AM

Hmmm, sry if this is a dumb question but then whats the main difference or comparision between having a relay between the HID\'s and signals as opppose to just tapping in the HID\'s to the signals without relay n wiring (as in Devin\'s example)?

Kager

01-19-2005, 12:49 AM

nice, i need this DRL thingy done...thanks alot~

MajesticBlueNTO

01-19-2005, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by triplezoom

Hmmm, sry if this is a dumb question but then whats the main difference or comparision between having a relay between the HID\'s and signals as opppose to just tapping in the HID\'s to the signals without relay n wiring (as in Devin\'s example)?

tapping into the parking light wire without the relay increases the possibility of blowing a fuse. the parking light circuit is on a 7.5A fuse...the headlight circuit is on a 15A fuse for each side.

in the thread on m3f that bluntman linked, the person that posted this procedure blew some fuses and ended up going with a 20A fuse in the fusebox. this is NOT a good decision since the wiring for the parking light is of smaller gauge than the headlight wiring and, running more current on a thin gauge wire poses the chance of a fire. will it ever happen? maybe not...but the probability is increased and why risk it?

the relay allows you to tap into the parking light wire, but upgrades the gauge of wire going to the HIDs, as well, the dual 87 relay from CanTire is rated at 30A which is enough for the HIDs.

one thing to remember, the wiring for \"30\" and \"85\" should be at least 14 gauge. 14 gauge will suffice but 12 gauge is better. also, 14 gauge can be used for the other connectors.

///M

01-19-2005, 01:40 AM

According to Devin his installation method will run the HIDs off the stock low beam fuse.

MajesticBlueNTO

01-19-2005, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by autoexe

According to Devin his installation method will run the HIDs off the stock low beam fuse.

if it is tapping the parking light wire, it DOES NOT run off the low beam fuse.

the Left Lowbeam and the Right Lowbeam are each on their own circuit and are each fused at 15A.

///M

02-04-2005, 06:41 PM

I now I have my HIDs installed using Chaser\'s method. Thanks for all the info in this thread!

MajesticBlueNTO

02-04-2005, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by autoexe

I now I have my HIDs installed using Chaser\'s method. Thanks for all the info in this thread!

give credit where credit is due. in the 1st page of this thread, you will see that i wrote out the procedure, chaser tried it out and provided the diagram. both of us helped you out.

///M

02-05-2005, 12:04 AM

Sorry, my bad. :( Thanks for the method...it worked great!

donaldtin

10-23-2005, 10:44 PM

can you guys fill in more info?? or a brief introduction on the DRL?? coz i am a total newbie, and wants to add HID into my 3... i dont\' know how can i make the DRL to work.. i know some of you guys made a bypss and the HID will be always on?? also heard some of u guys re-wire it to the signal light / high beam... can anyone of you that did that expalin a bit on wat you did and how it works now?? any info will be great.. thanks... also.. the diagram that chaser did... wat does it do now?? OFF when it\'s DRL mode, and ON during the night time (provided that the switch is still in AUTO mode). once again.. thanks a lot guys...

ps.. i dont\' have fog lights.. as some of you suggested to rewire DRL to fog

chaser

10-24-2005, 10:29 AM

The diagram doesn\'t do any DRL re-routing. If you follow the diagram, you\'ll get no lights until you turn on either parking or low-beam (or you\'re in Auto mode and the environment is dark enough). AUTO mode still functions with this mod.
If you want DRL and don\'t have fog, re-wiring to high-beam seems to be the only way. Unless someone figured out how to re-wire DRL to turn signal, but then you\'ll need other method to trigger the HID.
If you don\'t plan to install the HID yourself, contact Lock Down (http://www.lockdownsecurity.ca/). These guys have great reviews across the forum. I think they install for $100-150, not sure tho.

cstraw

10-25-2005, 02:28 PM

Does the DRL bypass differ between using the XTEC kit and the Prolumen kit. If so how?
(FYI: I am using the Prolumen kit)

Chris

chaser

10-25-2005, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by cstraw

Does the DRL bypass differ between using the XTEC kit and the Prolumen kit. If so how?
(FYI: I am using the Prolumen kit)

Chris

Should be the same

Walt Disney

01-17-2006, 03:03 PM

Hello there! Ok, it\'s my first post and first of all, please note that my english is really bad! So please don\'t flame me if you think I\'m flaming you! :p

I installed Xtec 5000K HID on my 3 and found this thread few weeks ago. I tried to make the DRL desactivation explained in this discussion but with it my headlight is simply not working at all. I\'m pretty sure I have the good relay and that everyting is correctly connect.

Lots of people here are talking about this bypass, but who really did it? Did it work for you?

majic

01-17-2006, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by Walt Disney

Hello there! Ok, it\'s my first post and first of all, please note that my english is really bad! So please don\'t flame me if you think I\'m flaming you! :p

lol.. too funny :D

oh.. welcome!

Originally posted by Walt Disney
I installed Xtec 5000K HID on my 3 and found this thread few weeks ago. I tried to make the DRL desactivation explained in this discussion but with it my headlight is simply not working at all. I\'m pretty sure I have the good relay and that everyting is correctly connect.

Lots of people here are talking about this bypass, but who really did it? Did it work for you?

are you referring to MajesticBlueN/Chaser\'s walkthrough? then yah, i\'ve done it and it works perfectly (followed the directions to the T)

what went wrong with yours? what are the symptoms? can you tell us more? did you tap into teh right wires? rigth relay terminals? did you get the proper relay? etc etc..

Voodoo

06-06-2007, 02:46 AM

is there any way to re-routing DRL to highbeams like '07 models?

Boris

07-05-2007, 10:30 PM

Please forgive me if this question is stuipd. I'm just wondering if u connect the relay to the turn signal light, wouldn't it turn the HID whenever u signal then????

Fuman

07-05-2007, 11:37 PM

Please forgive me if this question is stuipd. I'm just wondering if u connect the relay to the turn signal light, wouldn't it turn the HID whenever u signal then????
theres 3 wires to the turn signal
1 is a ground
2 is to keep it on (notice that its not fully bright)
3 is to signal (fully bright).
the relay is hooked to #2 (note, the order I listed is not the order of the wires).

phoenix_bladen

07-27-2007, 12:58 AM

-RJ3-

08-01-2007, 12:51 AM

I guess I'm finally successful =)

I resorted to powering Hid's through the high beams instead of tapping from the turn signals.

With having an aftermarket alarm, I decided to stop tapping the power to my corners... (Causes the flicking effect) instead I tapped it in which has a constant 12v source when triggered.
Running HIDs at night and just my fogs in the day.

Good job SP3GT

cwp_sedan

08-01-2007, 06:42 AM

i did devin's mod.......and i also did the independent mod and all my auto light works fine.

the only problem with devin's mod is that when you switch to the parking lights your headlights ( HID) will come on.

so there's no way of just having parking lights on.....

that's the only bad thing but then again you never do that anyways so it doesn't matter.

I must be confused by your statement. If you turn it one click forward from the off position, don't just your parking lights come on?

That's how mine is but I have an '07

-RJ3-

08-01-2007, 07:13 AM

The reason why his HIDs come on from one click forward to the off position is his HIDs power source is tapped on to his corner light. When his corner lights turn on, his HIDs turn on.

cwp_sedan

08-01-2007, 07:47 AM

Yeah, I figured he used it to tap into as a source. I just wasn't sure though. I'm sure there's a way around it isn't there? I'm sure I've read somewhere that 04-06 have been able to have just the parking lights on.

Unoriginalusername

08-01-2007, 08:50 AM

cwp_sedan

08-01-2007, 09:29 AM

is this the same for a speed? I am thinking that I want to disable my DRL's and have the fogs and angel eyes on instead. When i put on my HID's can i then turn off the fogs and angel eyes with the fog switch if i want too?

Do you want full control over your setup? If you do then just do both mods as most people have done them. If you wire it this way your fogs/angeleyes won't come on automatically though. You will have to turn them on/off manually. They will turn off when the car turns off with a slight time delay.

To answer your question. Yes, once you turn your HIDs on you can turn off your fogs (depending on if you wire them to the stock switch).

DRL disable on 2007 - pull DRL fuse
Ind fog light mod - same as pre '07

yearoftherat

08-01-2007, 04:53 PM

sp3GT

08-01-2007, 05:49 PM

With having an aftermarket alarm, I decided to stop tapping the power to my corners... (Causes the flicking effect) instead I tapped it in which has a constant 12v source when triggered.
Running HIDs at night and just my fogs in the day.

Good job SP3GT

Where did you tap into? My hid's are running off of the high beam wires rite now.

-RJ3-

08-01-2007, 10:26 PM

Where did you tap into? My hid's are running off of the high beam wires rite now.

Exactly like you.... Highbeamin!!!

kenghk

08-01-2007, 11:09 PM

Speaking of bypass....you should bypass using a kit altogether. Problem solved! HID kits are illegal for a reason, the produce dangerous glare to other drivers. The projectors you have are bad for glare because the are DESIGNED to produce glare (2 holes in each cutoff shield), add a super bright lightsource and voila!

As much as i like my Mazda3 and being a part if this forum, i hope everyone that has a kit gets a ticket or in a headon accident because you blinded someone coming towards you.

HID kits are for kids, who also like to pretend they're something they're not.

Pete

JonsMazda

08-02-2007, 12:11 AM

i hope everyone that has a kit gets a ticket or in a headon accident because you blinded someone coming towards you.

Ouch, thats kinda harsh...

yearoftherat

08-02-2007, 01:05 AM

Let the flamin begin....:gone

MajesticBlueNTO

08-02-2007, 01:18 AM

HID kits are for kids, who also like to pretend they're something they're not.

Pete

i'm guessing the 5.0 in your sig is driven on the street...if so, regarding the nitrous bottle shown in the open hatch:

http://www.whereitsat.net/clubBANNER.jpg

Nitrous kits are for kids, who also like to pretend they're fast when they're not.

JonsMazda

08-02-2007, 01:28 AM

Let the flamin begin....:gone

Damn right! lol

kenghk

08-02-2007, 02:00 AM

Well excuse me, but the HID kit thing is getting alittle out of hand, they blind the shit out of people and they're dangerous not to mention they're often made by the lowest bidder and don't offer the kind of light control found in proper HID systems. Sorry if you don't like my other car or what I have to say.

BTW, you can drive on the street with a bottle in the car, it just can't be hooked up and the system must be purged. I get pulled over lots because of how it sounds but I've never gotten a ticket from a cop, only from track and I think it said.....10.54sec at 136MPH.

Pete

3GFX

08-02-2007, 08:57 AM

*walks into room hand on gun*

"What's goin on here?"

lol, HID kits are a personal preferance. You come across kind of harsh kenghk. HID kits done properly don't blind people so don't hark on HID kits. The 3 for example can use HIDs without blinding other people because it has a 'cutoff' point acceptable for HID lighting.

It comes down to personal preferance. We're not ricers here.

S.F.W.

08-02-2007, 09:36 AM

yearoftherat

08-02-2007, 09:46 AM

We are all entitled to our opinions in regards to what people do to their cars. What one person likes, another person may dislike. I may not like a mod someone did to their car BUT I keep my opinions to myself. As long as the person who did the mod like it thats what counts. To each their own. The forum here is to share ideas and such.
Pete, you are entitled to your opinions but with remarks like the one you made, you're not going to be too popular here...

-RJ3-

08-02-2007, 10:04 AM

HIDs aren't blinding, as long as you aim them properly.... Have you seen the cars without projector lenses? They are the blinding ones. They dont have a center point of focus through the lens, which causes the light to bounce everywhere causing your so called blinding.... I dont think people are blinded by our HIDs, I think they are intrigued how the look of it on a 3... As always in a bias thread, its your opinion...

And your so called HID hate thread.... You should post it elsewhere.... This doesn't have anything to do with bypassing...

MattC

08-02-2007, 10:04 AM

SFW is right... if they are aimed properly they arent blinding, infact they would only cross your eye path if the car is going up/down a hill or over bumps.

What you are probably refering to are those conversions on old cars, that normally ran halogen lights with the giant reflector shields behind them. I agree that those are annoyingly bright and just hurt my eyes.

HID's should come standard on every car just because of the amount of light they put out and the safety value to the driver.

sp3GT

08-02-2007, 03:43 PM

First of all this is the wrong thread to argue that Hid's are for kids. Hid's is probably one of the first mods most people on the board do because it's practical and we have the proper housing to NOT blind people if they are aimed properply. So I don't know what you're saying about blinding people kenghk.

kenghk

08-02-2007, 03:54 PM

You are ALL misinformed. Drive you're cars right up to a wall and have a look at you're output. See the 4 oval patterns above the cutoff? That's called glare. Huge amounts of glare. Visit the hidplanet.com forum and educate yourselves on HID. You guys know that the return wire of the bulb should always face down for proper light focus? right?.....how come yours are sideways.

And I know I sound harsh to you but people that stand up against things that are wrong always come accross a bit harsh.

Pete

JonsMazda

08-02-2007, 03:56 PM

07 mazda 3's gt lux.pack comes equipped with hids already...are u blaming about that too?

kenghk

08-02-2007, 05:59 PM

07 mazda 3's gt lux.pack comes equipped with hids already...are u blaming about that too?

No, i just traded my 04 for a 07 with factory HID. OEM HID's are legal.

-RJ3-

08-02-2007, 11:09 PM

Thats nice to know... We already know about that, now flame elsewhere if you aren't helping with the bypass or I'll blind you with my HIDs!!!! SARC

kenghk

08-02-2007, 11:42 PM

Thats nice to know... We already know about that, now flame elsewhere if you aren't helping with the bypass or I'll blind you with my HIDs!!!! SARC

Very funny. Assuming you replaced your stock halogen projectors that blind people with proper HID projecter, designed for arc-discharge bulbs that control the light? Well you could tap into any other light source that comes on when the headlight switch is in the on possition. Signal bulb, tail light, dome light it doesn't matter. To stay legal, why don't you switch the fog lights with the head light if you have them, that way when you lower your handbrake you're DRLs still work and you solve your problem with the low voltage/flickering issue.

So you guys that don't run DRL, are you american now?.....don't forget not to signal your lane changes from now on.

peter

Xenon

08-02-2007, 11:46 PM

kenghk:

Just for your information...
As of 2006, those holes in the shield were no longer there. As a matter of fact, those "bunny ears" were totally eliminated.

2nd, even if you did have the hole in the shield, have you seen the angle they shine up at? it is meant to illuminate OVERHEAD signs and the gap between them and the cut off is meant for the oncoming traffic. You think Mazda engineers are stupid and decided to make holes in the shield just to blind people? Just remember, from what you are saying, even with a regular halogen bulb, it will still be glare.

With all that aside, the projector housing of the Mazda3 provides more than sufficient cut-off and focus for HIDs. What about the old Lexus GS300? or the Infiniti I30/I35? or the pre-2004 Acura TL/CL? or heck, even the current Acura CSX? They are "OEM" HIDs, and I find them 10x more glaring than a Mazda3 with aftermarket HIDs.

After saying all that, I AM PROUD to say that I have HIDs equipped on my car. I love my aftermarket kit and I think it is one of the best modifications I have done to my car. The light is clear, the cut off is sharp and properly aimed.

With all due respects (and if anyone with an aftermarket HID kit disagrees with me, feel free to say so); don't be lecturing the members of this forum on the legality of HIDs.

If you are going to do that, you might as well lecture on how lowering your car is potentially illegal as well, or adding an exhaust, or a body kit, or changing the colour of your signals...

If you have seen as many Mazda3's as I have, and the proud owners of them on this forum, then you will see that there is NO issue with HIDs on the 3. Why don't you go over to the Civic club or the Golf club and lecture there. I'm sure they will make more use of your ranting than we will. You can even educate them on how to use a projector "designed for arch-discharge bulbs".

kenghk

08-02-2007, 11:58 PM

The same Mazda (you mean Stanley) engineers that designed the projectors to work with a halogen bulb? Different light source all together my man, bulb goes in sideways, NO hid system designed by engineers has the bulb go in sideways. Halogen lights are designed differently, they will glare with the amount of light a arc discharge bulb puts out, simple.

I didn't want to say it but it, but its' rice, no North American company even makes HID kits, no German company either. Don't get me started on white/blue turn signals, illegal and how rice that is.

visit, hidplanet.com/forums and you can educate yourself on how wrong and dangerous you are.

Pete

Xenon

08-03-2007, 12:02 AM

Well bash and bitch all you want, kenghk. I'm not going to waste anymore time with you. You aren't worth my time nor my energy.

Back on topic: HID Bypass.

donaldin:
I haven't fully read this thread, but to answer your inital request on an introduction to DRL....
DRl (Daytime Running Lights) on the 3 are controlled by a relay. Essentially, all you need to know is that the light output on the DRL vs. the Full low-beam is about half. On a normal halogen bulb that wouldn't make a difference. 1/2 power = 1/2 output.

However, HIDs are very much like a flourecent bulb. They require a certain power input to ignite, and a certain power input to remain on. The problem comes in play when you apple the DRL power to HIDs. Since HIDs have a discrete on or off level (unlike filiment bulbs that can be dimmed to any output), sending only 1/2 the power to the HID system would not be enough to have it run as it's supposed to. Depending on the way the kit was made, the light would either flicker or not ignite at all. This will damage the HID system in either case.

The whole point of the DRL bypass is to connect the HID kit to a constant power source that does not fluctuate in power. I believe the most common solutions to this problem is:

1) Connect the trigger of your HIDs to the side marker bulb (The light beside the lowbeam, not the one on the front fender), therefore whenever your marker is on, the HID is on; and replace the DRL with an Independent Fog Mod.

2) Swap the wiring from fog light and lowbeam, hence any light output meant for the lowbeam, not goes to the fogs, and the fog light switch controls the lowbeam.

I have to admit, I'm having some trouble explaining this in type. My suggestion to you is to come out to a meet, and ask some members who have HIDs to show you how they are wired and see first-hand. Then a lot more about DRLs and the bypass will make sense.

kenghk

08-03-2007, 01:54 AM

RedRaptor

08-09-2007, 07:21 PM

The way i did it was after I retro'd a set to TSX DOT legal projectors into my 04, I switched the fog light power with the headlight power (used a wiring harness and off the shelf connectors to make the job easier) to keep my DRLs and stay 100% legal, not to mention I aimed them with 2 big guys sitting in the back so my lights would never shine too high no matter if i had passengers or not. OEM and legal HID always have some way to adjust teh light level up and down.

Peter

You're a funny guy, Pete. This coming from the same guy who had a Philips HID kit (with Hella ballasts ) in his car and then traded in his leased Mazda3 for an RX8 (or so he told me) and now is back to a 2007 Mazda3?

The same guy who tried to sell a damaged HID kit on Ebay and then went ballastic after Paypal did a charge back on him. Then tried to sell the same kit on Ebay again to another unsuspecting buyer?

Pete. You're a piece of work. Now you come on the forum, 3 years later and insult people who have HID kits installed?

Did you not once have an aftermarket HID kit installed on your Mazda3 (leased from Ontario Mazda)? Be careful on how you answer this one...I still have the emails you wrote to me three years ago.

Rob.

FLIPDADY

08-09-2007, 07:36 PM

You're a funny guy, Pete. This coming from the same guy who had a Philips HID kit (with Hella ballasts ) in his car and then traded in his leased Mazda3 for an RX8 (or so he told me) and now is back to a 2007 Mazda3?

The same guy who tried to sell a damaged HID kit on Ebay and then went ballastic after Paypal did a charge back on him. Then tried to sell the same kit on Ebay again to another unsuspecting buyer?

Pete. You're a piece of work. Now you come on the forum, 3 years later and insult people who have HID kits installed?

Did you not once have an aftermarket HID kit installed on your Mazda3 (leased from Ontario Mazda)? Be careful on how you answer this one...I still have the emails you wrote to me three years ago.

Rob.
Burnnnnnnnn!!!!!!

Good one Rob!

:pop

yearoftherat

08-09-2007, 07:37 PM

:pop

I'll join ya flippy !

stevenlung

08-11-2007, 03:31 PM

You Got Owned

Effin Itai

08-20-2007, 05:39 PM

The way i did it was after I retro'd a set to TSX DOT legal projectors into my 04, I switched the fog light power with the headlight power (used a wiring harness and off the shelf connectors to make the job easier) to keep my DRLs and stay 100% legal, not to mention I aimed them with 2 big guys sitting in the back so my lights would never shine too high no matter if i had passengers or not. OEM and legal HID always have some way to adjust teh light level up and down.

Peter

Lawrence, I new you were gonna be on this thread like a fat kid at a candy store. LOL!

I would just like to say to everyone who has every flamed another. It is very easy to flame or insult people with words on a computer. Try to do it at a meet. If you really have something to say, say it to their face. I could be 6'-0 tall, big, with a temper. LOL! Actually, I'm only 5'7', small temper LOL! Do you guys see where I'm trying to go with this. LOL! I am not trying to single kenghk out. This is directed to each and every single person on the forum. A wise person once told me: "if you have nothing good to say, don't say it at all". There's my 2 cents.

N.B. -Got HID's and love'em. Best and latest mod. LOL!

kenghk

08-30-2007, 09:04 PM

RedRaptor

09-04-2007, 04:43 PM

I remember Rob, we were talking back and forth and I offered to show him how to install the kit and he got scared all of a sudden and said he called the cops on me...I still have those emails.

The guy that tried to install it sells kits and funny thing is he said mine was broken and sold him one of his own. I sold my kit back on eBay and got a positive out of it.

I hope I was careful how I answered that one. Offer's still on the table Robby.

Pete, you are a world class gentleman. You should maybe get your facts straight. Funny how you never answered any of my questions above but instead you are trying to side track where this is going.

Thats fine. Your "offer to help" was more of a I'll come to Toronto to help you "mod" your car and that you'll teach me a lesson when I come back to my "native province of Quebec" (I'm not even French nor am I from Quebec). You were quite entertaining and I remember foiling your attempts on Ebay to resell the damaged kit. I guess there is a sucker for anything in his world especially on Ebay. Glad you finally got rid of the kit and ripped off another person in the process.

As for the "installer" who sells his own kit. Talk about being clueless...Sam Peng was the installer and a few people on TM3 have had their kits installed by him. They will also tell you that he DOES NOT sell his own HID kits. He simply told me to get a kit from either XenonDepot or XenonExpert...both companies that he has no invested interest in.

I have a XenonExpert Philips kit bought from Oliver so your made up story about my installer breaking your Ebay kit and then offering to sell me his kits...nada.

I know it must suck when you come into this thread acting all cocky and sh!t with your trash talking about aftermarket HID kits. Then the past comes back and haunts you and you have to keep your trap shut.

So Pete, you ever going to answer my questions I asked above? Or should we assume you once had an aftermarket kit installed in your Mazda3 you leased from Ontario Mazda? (Sorry for asking again but I can't trust anything that comes out your mouth, Mr "2004 Mazda3, 2005 RX8 and now 2007 Mazda3".

P.S: And about that cop thing. I guess I should let you in on what happened after 3 years now and I'll go nice and sloooww just incase you can't get it through that skull of yours.

Its simple, I wrote an email to myself (addressing the cops about you being a fraud). Got the email in my mailbox, clicked on Forward. Then I editted the TO: (found the email address of the nearest division to me), then forwarded the email to you. You got so scared and mad at me, you had no response but to swear at me. ;)

So how far you want to take this Pete? You going to stfu in this thread and quit your bitching about aftermarket HID already or what?

EDIT: Spelling.

kenghk

09-05-2007, 12:12 AM

I am here to protect the use of HID kits....it's a free country isn't it.

Regardless of what RedRover says and it's pretty hard to defend ones self on a forum because its here-say and all. I will make a new post on the subject and leave this one and return to my trap and forward this forum thread to the cops and shut my quebec and take it as far as you want to. I already offered to come see you once already rob and like back then , you're still a looser.

Pete

midnightfxgt

09-05-2007, 10:28 AM

04GTFX

02-26-2008, 06:54 PM

back on topic, Im waiting for my HIDS to come in and want to do the CHASER mod

WHAT exactly do I ened to purcahse so i can do the mod during my initial install?

Is the relay called "dual 87 relay" or is it somethign else?

what guage/how long of wire do I need?

do I need any taps?

Do I need to buy a fuse and or fuse block? ( to hold that 30A fuse I see in the diagram ? )

BASICALLY list in as much detail as possibe ( part numbers? ) so I know what to get when I go to the store !!

thanks SO much guys

gochickenfactory

04-09-2008, 10:27 PM

I don't know if i should open up a new thread or just ask my dumb question here.

I have a 07 Mazda 5 GT. Same lighting harness as the 04-06 mazda 3's, where the DRL are the low beams. There probably is a thread about this but i honestly can't find it nor do i have the patience. SO Please help. I don't want to run HID's because everyone runs HIDs + Yellow fogs these days and i'm sooo not a follower. So i just run yellow fogs and regular low beams...just to stay a little stock. Anyways. my question is. How do I change my DRL to my highbeams. So, when i'm driving in the daytime. My low beams are off and only my highbeam lights are ON. I'm planning to run yellow bulbs on my highbeams, i think it looks really nice with it as DRL's. That is all, please help. Its little , but it probably is a lot of work, and i'm willing to take the time to learn. Thanks.

S.F.W.

04-09-2008, 11:04 PM

check out this thread:http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=20069
should be what you are looking to accomplish.

gochickenfactory

04-09-2008, 11:56 PM

I kinda understand how to do it, but the tabbing part im kinda lost. what do i use to actually tab the parking light, high beam, low beam. do i cut the wire, splice the wire, use a device where it clamps on to the wire and the other end it allows me to run the wire out to the relay? or do i put a wire INTO the socket? thats the only part that confuses me. its stupid, but yeah, i'm not smart enough to figure the easiest part of this.

-RJ3-

04-10-2008, 08:24 AM

I think you mean wire "tap"

http://maxima.bryanb.com/fog/fog_tn12.jpg

http://maxima.bryanb.com/fog/fog_tn13.jpg

gochickenfactory

04-10-2008, 10:17 PM

ok i got everything ready to go, i'm in the process of wireing everything onto the relay. 1 question. I was told that using 1 relay is better than two as it drains too much power which causes the fuse to blow. So i am only tapping wires on the passenger side atm. and running a second 87a wire to the highbeam positive. OR do i have to bring both parking light wire,low beam drl wire to the single relay and exit it with two wires to both highbeams for DRLs. thanks

Tizmee24

06-21-2008, 11:52 PM

Lawrence, I new you were gonna be on this thread like a fat kid at a candy store. LOL!

I would just like to say to everyone who has every flamed another. It is very easy to flame or insult people with words on a computer. Try to do it at a meet. If you really have something to say, say it to their face. I could be 6'-0 tall, big, with a temper. LOL! Actually, I'm only 5'7', small temper LOL! Do you guys see where I'm trying to go with this. LOL! I am not trying to single kenghk out. This is directed to each and every single person on the forum. A wise person once told me: "if you have nothing good to say, don't say it at all". There's my 2 cents.

N.B. -Got HID's and love'em. Best and latest mod. LOL!

AMEN :pop