bluntman
12-30-2004, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by MajesticBlueN
sorry for the threadjack but, since the other thread was locked, here is a good thread on the \"legality\" of aftermarket-rebased HID kits (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92701)
as quoted by \"benimal\":
The Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy released a 66 page report for the NHTSA that has some very interesting information on vehicle lights including what ones are most visible, what cause the most glare and discomfort for other drivers. It might be worth a read before you drop several hundred dollars on set of HIDs.
You can find the report here: http://dsl.torque.net/images/DSL_8885.pdf
Quote from Page 44 of 66 in the PDF
High Intensity Danger
One type of improper light source bears special mention
because of its extreme capacity to be severely detrimental to
safety. “HID retrofit kits†are being widely marketed through
readily-accessible retail and mail-order channels. These socalled
“retrofits†consist of a D2R or D2S arc capsule (2800
or 3200 lumens, and one source is marketing “upgradeâ€Â
capsules of approximately 4600 lumens) and associated
electronic control equipment, with an adaptor by means of
which the capsule can be inserted into a headlamp designed
to accept a tungsten-halogen bulb. The massive degree by
which such sources exceed the luminous intensity of the
halogen bulbs correct for the headlamp creates tremendous
glare. The light-producing arc within the D2R or D2S capsule
is of a different size, shape and placement and, in the case
of transverse-filament bulbs, orientation within the capsule
than the light-producing filament within a halogen bulb.
The edges and endpoints of the light source are also of very
different demarcation characteristics (sharp for a filament,
fuzzy for an arc). This is why gas discharge headlamps require
different optics than tungsten-halogen headlamps. When a
gas discharge source is placed into a headlamp designed
to accept a tungsten-halogen bulb, extreme beam pattern
damage occurs. The effects on seeing light are highly variable,
but the effect upon glare is always severe and detrimental,
i.e., vastly increased glare. There are also electric-shock
hazards associated with the use of gas discharge equipment,
which operates at high voltage, in headlamp systems not
incorporating proper shielding or weatherproofing to cope
with these high voltages.
it sucks that people whose housings cause tremendous glare caused NHTSA to \"crackdown\" (the reason why CATZ shut down their North American office and distribution)...only took a few bad apples to spoil the bunch.
Originally posted by MajesticBlueN
Transport Canada - Motor Vehicle Safety Act - Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations Standard 108 (http://www.tc.gc.ca/acts-regulations/GENERAL/M/mvsa/regulations/mvsrg/100/mvsr108.html)
Lighting requirements for vehicles in Canada
Originally posted by K Dawg ONE
^^So yeah, turn signals/running lights are fine as DRL.
Think Dodge. All Caravans and Neons use their signals as DRL.
And cars with pop-up headlights do too!
So, if you disable the DRL, just make sure you have your running lights on all the time (should anyways)
sorry for the threadjack but, since the other thread was locked, here is a good thread on the \"legality\" of aftermarket-rebased HID kits (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92701)
as quoted by \"benimal\":
The Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy released a 66 page report for the NHTSA that has some very interesting information on vehicle lights including what ones are most visible, what cause the most glare and discomfort for other drivers. It might be worth a read before you drop several hundred dollars on set of HIDs.
You can find the report here: http://dsl.torque.net/images/DSL_8885.pdf
Quote from Page 44 of 66 in the PDF
High Intensity Danger
One type of improper light source bears special mention
because of its extreme capacity to be severely detrimental to
safety. “HID retrofit kits†are being widely marketed through
readily-accessible retail and mail-order channels. These socalled
“retrofits†consist of a D2R or D2S arc capsule (2800
or 3200 lumens, and one source is marketing “upgradeâ€Â
capsules of approximately 4600 lumens) and associated
electronic control equipment, with an adaptor by means of
which the capsule can be inserted into a headlamp designed
to accept a tungsten-halogen bulb. The massive degree by
which such sources exceed the luminous intensity of the
halogen bulbs correct for the headlamp creates tremendous
glare. The light-producing arc within the D2R or D2S capsule
is of a different size, shape and placement and, in the case
of transverse-filament bulbs, orientation within the capsule
than the light-producing filament within a halogen bulb.
The edges and endpoints of the light source are also of very
different demarcation characteristics (sharp for a filament,
fuzzy for an arc). This is why gas discharge headlamps require
different optics than tungsten-halogen headlamps. When a
gas discharge source is placed into a headlamp designed
to accept a tungsten-halogen bulb, extreme beam pattern
damage occurs. The effects on seeing light are highly variable,
but the effect upon glare is always severe and detrimental,
i.e., vastly increased glare. There are also electric-shock
hazards associated with the use of gas discharge equipment,
which operates at high voltage, in headlamp systems not
incorporating proper shielding or weatherproofing to cope
with these high voltages.
it sucks that people whose housings cause tremendous glare caused NHTSA to \"crackdown\" (the reason why CATZ shut down their North American office and distribution)...only took a few bad apples to spoil the bunch.
Originally posted by MajesticBlueN
Transport Canada - Motor Vehicle Safety Act - Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations Standard 108 (http://www.tc.gc.ca/acts-regulations/GENERAL/M/mvsa/regulations/mvsrg/100/mvsr108.html)
Lighting requirements for vehicles in Canada
Originally posted by K Dawg ONE
^^So yeah, turn signals/running lights are fine as DRL.
Think Dodge. All Caravans and Neons use their signals as DRL.
And cars with pop-up headlights do too!
So, if you disable the DRL, just make sure you have your running lights on all the time (should anyways)